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[bolterixus]

What off blade would you recommend for these rubbers. Under £60

 

[NextLevel]

Is the retailer building the setup for you?

 

[bolterixus]

After having a longer think. I will be choosing Vega Probably for the forehand and astro S for backhand. Would the primorac off- be fine for both of the rubbers? And should I go with 2.0 or max for Fh for vega pro?

 

[NextLevel]

https://www.megaspin.net/store/extra/rubber-guide.asp

To be or not to be...

Existence exists...

What would God want with a starship?

Dude, the suspense is killing me, show me the snake serve!

 

[bolterixus]

But I don't want tenergy just saying.

 

[NextLevel]

But I don't want tenergy just saying.

You change your mind so much it's never clear what you want. I am just trying to help. And there is information in there that helps you understand rubbers in general, so it's good to be educated so you can make more informed decisions about rubbers in general. Things like the pips structure, the sponge thickness/hardness are all explained. After all, aren't you the one that said it is good to talk to many people? Why stop now? And maybe after you watch the video, you might realize Tenergy is for you. On a Timo Boll ALC, the most popular blade in the world. Just saying.

 

[bolterixus]

I am thinking of choosing Vega Pro as I want a good amount of control, but tenergy does not provide that. Timo Boll ALC, yes it is a good blade but too expensive.

 

[Killerspintt]

T80 has a lot of control, one of the easiest offensive rubbers for passive play and returns. Vega Pro is quite sensitive to incomming spin (like T05), more than T80.

 

[bolterixus]

What about Omega V europe then?

 

[Killerspintt]

I prefered the Vega Japan to the Omega V europe, both have same hardness and share same characteristics, but the Vega Japan just felt easier on every single shots, from top spin to blocks.

 

[NextLevel]

I am thinking of choosing Vega Pro as I want a good amount of control, but tenergy does not provide that. Timo Boll ALC, yes it is a good blade but too expensive.

Do you really believe the world's best players would use rubbers that don't provide a good amount of control? Geez, listen to yourself. Tibhar Stratus Powerwood is a good OFF- blade. But there are lots of good OFF- blades out there. The Yasaka Extra is also good. And of course, your Primorac OFF-.

 

[bolterixus]

What I mean, is I need to practice my technique more than the pro's, anyway

What do you think of the Omega V tour? Have you played with T80 before killer. How would you compare the speed of T80 with Omega V Europe and Vega japan?

 

[NextLevel]

I prefered the Vega Japan to the Omega V europe, both have same hardness and share same characteristics, but the Vega Japan just felt easier on every single shots, from top spin to blocks.

Yes Vega Japan is a great rubber. Boosted and shrinks, but still a fantastic rubber. OP has a lot of good choices - it's going to be hard.

 

[Killerspintt]

What I mean, is I need to practice my technique more than the pro's, anyway

What do you think of the Omega V tour? Have you played with T80 before killer. How would you compare the speed of T80 with Omega V Europe and Vega japan?

Yup, played the T80 on a Viscria-like blade (Zhang Jike blue Dragon, this is an other rename of the Viscaria/TBS/TBalc from butterfly), combination was very good..........during 3-4 weeks, after that the T80 becomes really really slow (unlike T05 and T64 which are keeping their "spring" effect much longer than T80). I also tried T80 on a much more flexible blade (Innerforce AL), the rubber just felt "bad", T80 doesn't match well with flexy blades.

Omega V tour is more of a T05 type of rubber, very high throw, it is also very heavy...it's basically like a Vega Japan with higher throw, harder sponge and maybe a more grippy topsheet. OVtour is quite specific, I won't commend this rubber unless you really know what you want and it matches it......like MX-P it offers extrem characteristics in every aspects. I myself shouldn't play with it now that I train far less.

T80 is slower than Omegas or Vega Japan, less springy also.

 

[bolterixus]

Would you say that T05 is faster than vega japan or omega V pro/ europe?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Everything you need to know has really been posted. Read these quotes carefully.

Yes, it often is. Especially when you know they have a good idea what they are talking about. You aren't the first or the last person to travel this road. I'm trying to explain to you that in the bigger world of TT, it is a road largely created by equipment manufacturers to take advantage of ignorance about what a rubber really contributes to your game. You would be far better off hitting with friend's blade and seeing whether you like it.

What you are doing is the equivalent of buying a car by asking people who you don't know what they think about it as opposed to test driving the cars around you and seeing which one you like best. As someone who has used a lot of rubbers and blades over the last 4 years, I can tell you that I could use anything and play at roughly the same level. IT's because I have been lucky (or cursed) to have the time and resources to play a lot and buy and try a lot of stuff. I still like collecting stuff but I distinguish that from the stuff's effects on my game.

No rubber is going to make such a huge difference to your game that you should spend time thinking over the question and if the rubber would, this is not the forum where you would be asking it in the way you are. These are the questions as I see them:

Based on how I play and the speed of the blade rubber combination I am looking for:

1. Modern rubber (Tenergy, ESN), traditional (Sriver, MArk V) or tacky (Hurricane) or hybrid (Big Dipper)?
2. Tenergy or not? If so, Evolution or not? If so, Hurricane or not?
3. What sponge hardness do I prefer?
4. Do I like high spin/speed or high speed/spin?
5. What sponge thicknesss do I prefer?

And in the end, any popular rubber at the end of these questions from ESN (which basically does all the modern rubbers not Butterfly or Stiga), Butterfly or Stiga will play pretty well. Then you just adapt to it. I have played at pretty much the same level when using Tenergy 05 and Evolution MX-S and Yinhe Big Dipper. I just have different things that show up in my game to compensate when using one or the other but I play roughly the same. I have seen other players change rubbers and they conclude the same thing.

It's only when a rubber is offbeat and not that popular (Tenergy 25) or when you know you like a certain rubber like Tenergy 05 and you then go to something different like Calibra LT and have no desire to adjust.

Then with the criteria of relatively high speed/spin (I myself prefer high spin/speed), medium, 2.0mm, modern rubber that isn't Tenergy, then you are looking at things like Calibra LT, Rhyzm 42.5 and Andro Rasant. The problem though is that you may not be sure what high speed/spin is until you use it so if you can, find someone with one of these rubbers and see whether you like them.

If you want high spin/speed, then Evolution EL-P/FX-P and Rasant Grip come into play.

All these rubbers are pretty good and any one of them will have you around the same level. Manufacturers will like you to believe otherwise, but the differences show up at a level that when you get there, you definitely will not be asking those questions here anymore, but only to individuals you trust.

Terms like "faster" and "spinnier" are dangerous. There is the speed/catapult of the rubber, there is the grip/pips/spin of the rubber, and then there is the ratio of both. Something grippy and very fast will be fast and spinny, but if the speed ratio overwhelms the spin/grip, it may not be as spinny as something slower but reasonably fast. Baracuda for example is relatively slow, but is high grip, so it is considered pretty spinny. Tenergy 05 is high grip and high speed, but the high grip part makes it very spinny even when compared to slower rubbers. And the high grip/spin makes it possible for a skilled user to hit faster loops than someone could with something supposedly faster because higher spin can encourage more risk taking with power. But for some people, they just want their topspin to go through the table fast and will let their accuracy be determined by the power of their stroke - these are the Calibra LT and Tenergy 64 fans, though T64 has much more grip than Calibra LT.

Calibra LT is definitely faster than Vega Europe and is harder as well. Spinnier, not so sure as I am not a fan of LT.
Rhyzm 42.5 is in the same class and is likely faster and spinnier if you have a good stroke.
Rasant is definitely faster and likely spinnier. I would likely recommend Rasant Grip over Rasant if you care about the spin - Grip is also fast but has more spin.

It is nice to be inquisitive but each time someone answers one of your questions you seem to have three more questions and NextLevel really tried to give you good information that would help you make a more informed decision for yourself.

Whatever you get, after you have used it for an hour or two, it will work and be good for you.

I personally would avoid any rubber from Stiga not because I have tried the Astro but because I truly dislike pretty much every rubber from Stiga I have tried.

But you really are making more of this process than needs to be.

You are looking at a lot of good and serviceable rubbers. Any of them will be really good for you.


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[bolterixus]

I know upside but I keep on finding more rubbers which make me wonder. But soon I will buy the rubbers and it will stop.

 

[Killerspintt]

Unless your looping technique and power is among the 1% best, you will find more speed with Vega Japan/Omegas than T05. Most players comming from ESN tensors which are trying T05 first time find the T05 deadly slow. But the longer you will play and adjust your technique to T05, the less you will find it slow. Other advantage : Tenergies being quite slow and far less spingy than ESN tensors, it allows many EJ's to use uncontrolable $250 blades from butterfly

 

[bolterixus]

I will be coming from Vega europe, and I wouldn't call myself an amazing looper, so I am moving towards vega Pro and Omega V Europe

 

[NextLevel]

Vega Pro was designed to compete with Tenergy 05 - just keep that in mind.