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What has China done to make a Malaysian say that?

China–India: The Most Consequential Relationship of the 21st Century | Chandran Nair
https://youtu.be/QHNBa0kT7Ac?t=478
I go to India a lot because I love it. I get immersed in everything. But then I
think why can't they solve the problem of basic sanitation, water and all of that?
And I think it's a governance
issue. How does a nation with some of the brightest people in the world, they all run the IT companies in the USA and
the banks, how does that nation transition to what I think is the obligation of any system of governance,
which is to uplift the majority from the drudgery of day-to-day life. But the truth be told,
in some parts of India, the poverty I've seen, I haven't even seen in Africa.

https://youtu.be/QHNBa0kT7Ac?t=886
I think on that, the delivery mechanism of the Chinese government in the most remote places I've gone, has really, not
100%, bought the... won over the communities that even still have some resentments, of course, but the delivery of the
infrastructure, places where there was no heating ever getting heating, water, toilets, roads,
trains, then people think, "Hey, I can trade off some restrictions on maybe my
belief
because the upside is so vast. I think this is good for us." I think that's the trick. You have to bundle it together.
You have to provide development goods.
 
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It's only a matter of time and that time is on China's side as Xi Jinping proclaimed 5 years ago. CPC is onto its 15th 5-year plan. The US struggles to plan even 1 fiscal year ahead.
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China is the only member of the P5 that is headed in the right direction? Hell must've frozen over.

CHN: USA bad
RUS: USA bad
IND: USA bad
CAN: USA bad
MEX: USA bad
BRA: USA bad
USA: USA bad
JPN: CHN bad

Bombshell study: World sees USA as biggest threat, instead prefers China
]https://youtu.be/3UhHqPGFGos?t=714

How China views Pentagon chief Pete Hegseth's remarks at Shangri-La Dialogue
https://youtu.be/IA8yompD0eY?t=134
 
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While what you say is true, it is still not optimal to put the emphasis on this "nation vs nation" view. It leaves bad taste, because it is safe to say that majority of USA people does not actively promote bombing other nations. We are all in this together, it is not nation vs nation, it is something else.
 
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China's Political Meritocracy - What The West Gets Wrong About China | Professor Daniel Bell
https://youtu.be/irBs3hp-Ygk?t=247
China as we know is a huge country and yes at the very top it's supposed to be more meritocratic but at lower levels of government there are some democratic mechanisms including ele elections to select leaders and to certain extent mechanisms for deliberation and even a certain extent of freedom of speech not as much as we would like um that that is that that is involved in the selection and promotion of leaders so um so basically we have to set aside this prejudice there's only two kinds of governments one is democratic, one is authoritarian. not a useful framework because we have to distinguish between China and those other so countries that are labeled in the authoritarian camp and then we have to understand China it own terms what exactly is it of course it's a highly imperfect mechanism right just like democracy in you know Australia or Canada or or US is highly imperfect but this is the standard that's used to think about Chinese political system and how to evaluate its progress and regress and we have and this is so the language of political metocracy is really essential to understand China

https://youtu.be/irBs3hp-Ygk?t=442
in fact it's more dangerous you have somebody who's smart who has high emotional intelligence who works hard and if they're a bad person if they're corrupt that's even more dangerous so you have to address that virtue part that's really a really key pillar for the whole political system

https://youtu.be/irBs3hp-Ygk?t=705
But on issues like how to organize your economy or how to select leaders, they say we should allow for variation based on the size of the country, you know, based on the dominant political culture, based on the history and based on the current national conditions. So that's why China has no China's will willing to set a good example. If others want to learn, fine. But there's no effort. China would never invade another country to promote its legal system. Impossible to imagine, right? Whereas you think of US invading Iraq and so on to promote democracy. I mean that that's is very different mindset. There's not this kind of long history of missionary kind of this missionary impulse that we have in the West. Maybe it comes from Christianity. Um that's just not there in China.

https://youtu.be/irBs3hp-Ygk?t=810
Yeah. So, so Taiwan is viewed as part of China, right? Whether it's by the leaders or the huge majority of people. Um, and if China, if Taiwan were to promote formal independence from the rest of China, I mean, that would be a disaster from the Chinese point of view because it would it would undermine the for one thing the legitimacy of the current ruling organization and it might lead to independence systems elsewhere and it might lead to a chaotic and and and civil war situation which you have had in China's past. So, this is a red line. But, China wants Taiwan to be part of China. But it won't export its system up beyond that to like you know Kore that's why this there's this domino theory in the west that you hear sometimes if we let Taiwan go then the next step is South Korea and Japan that's not going to happen if Taiwan is back into the Chinese orbit that's going to end there the polit the effort to let's call it but that said I mean China allows for different variations of political systems so long as there's some commitment to political unity so China is not going to want to export its ex in its current political to ch to Taiwan, you know, so long as Taiwan pays, we can even say lip service to kind of Chinese unity, that's that's okay, right? Um, and I mean, I'm in in Hong Kong now. Hong Kong, yeah, we hear there's it's one country, two systems, and we hear about threats, but still very different in Hong Kong. We have common law system, you know, we have much more freedom of speech. You know, there's no restrictions on the internet, for example. The Hong Kong currency is tied to the US dollar. I mean it's still hugely different system that more or less would be the case if if Taiwan is part of of in a formal way part of China again. But um if there is this pushing of like the declaration of formal independence or the US more more forcefully says that we're going to defend Taiwan that would put huge pressure on China to use military means to promote unification. But China doesn't do that. It hasn't gone to war since 1979. is fully aware that we need peace here to have a a sustainable form of development. If there's a war, it would be a huge disaster. The only pressure would come, but China's not in a huge hurry to have more formal unification with Taiwan, right? Could be 10, 20, 30 years from now, it doesn't matter. China has this long-term horizon. But if Taiwan or with US pressure pushes for more formal independence, then the you know, it's really would be very dangerous time.

https://youtu.be/irBs3hp-Ygk?t=1063
So if we want to understand China, we have to understand the dominant political culture which has been mainly Confucian. But you also have had these as you say these ultra hardcore realists and they're more hardcore realist than like anybody in the West like they make Machiavellian look like a real softy you know liberal. So and and the first Chinese uh emperor who successfully unified China after the Warring States period did it according to legalist principles but that dynasty only lasted 15 years because it it was viewed as too cruel and since then liberal the Legalist tradition has been in the background but it comes back in times of chaos because how do you deal with that chaos it's very hard to the Confucian's favor what we call today soft power like persuasion unifying people through moral example having beautiful music that makes people feel a sense of community. Um having rituals that unite people and and and pro and promotes a sense of caring that doesn't work very well in times of huge chaos, right? So in the 20th century the Legalist tradition came back full force, right? And and and and actually the the Chinese Communist Party led by Mao was explicitly Legalist at some point and anti-Confucian. Today we can see this in the in the anti-corruption campaign. You have these Legalists who arguing we have to have harsh punishments uniformly applied. No mercy and only fear works if we want to deal with corruption. But Confucian say look if you want to eliminate corruption in the long term you have to make you have to have people internalize morality and make them feel a sense of shame when they do something bad. And and that's is the only long-term solution for dealing with corruption. So these debates are still very much alive in China today. You know, and if you if you want to understand China, the Marxist tradition has nothing to offer about dealing with corruption. Neither does the liberal or democratic tradition. Hardly anything. But these debates between Legalists and and Confucians on dealing with corruption go way back in Chinese history.
 
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China is the only member of the P5 that is headed in the right direction? Hell must've frozen over.

CHN: USA bad
RUS: USA bad
IND: USA bad
CAN: USA bad
MEX: USA bad
BRA: USA bad
USA: USA bad
JPN: CHN bad

Bombshell study: World sees USA as biggest threat, instead prefers China
]https://youtu.be/3UhHqPGFGos?t=714

How China views Pentagon chief Pete Hegseth's remarks at Shangri-La Dialogue
https://youtu.be/IA8yompD0eY?t=134
That is sooo fake. Trump has been bad for the world economy, yes. But he has got a big mouth and can't keep quiet.
Europe still believes China, Russia and North Korea to be the biggest threat...

Cheers
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Who can name 3 living Chinese people?
I can. WCQ, LJK, LSD... LOL

Western Pundits Know NOTHING About China
https://youtu.be/CbPtdH-HOag?t=20

What keeps China from invading Taiwan? Fareed debates
https://youtu.be/ISw7pzKhqtI?t=212
Well, you know, the way the western media describes Taiwan is absolutely wrong. And I say this because everybody thinks that China is just preparing to try and invade Taiwan militarily as quickly as possible and then seeing whether or not the examples of Iran and and and Ukraine will apply to Taiwan. And here again, you know, I must emphasize that the Chinese take a very comprehensive long-term view and ask a very simple question on whose side is time on. Is time on Taiwan's side or is time on China's side? And trust me, if the Taiwanese declare independence tomorrow, which is what will cause a war, how many countries are going to recognize Taiwan? When I was in Taiwan a few months ago, I told the Taiwanese people, you're lucky you have a Republic of China passport, which brings you to over 180, 190 countries. You change your passport to Republic of Taiwan. You'll be lucky if five or six countries recognize the Republic of Taiwan passport. So time is on China's side on Taiwan. Obviously, they're going to emphasize that the power they're accumulating is is on their favor. They're going to show signals of strength, but they're not in any way dreaming of a military invasion of Taiwan anytime soon.


https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-chuang-chih-yuan-and-cttta.37366/post-526789
What a bunch of imbeciles.

After a few days of (empty) threats by the 體育署/Sports Administration, these folks have finally realized there is nothing they can do about the Chinese Taipei TTA, which is the only official governing body recognized by the ITTF and hence has the final say. If they decide to disband it, they'd risk shutting the door to the international stage on themselves because no one would recognize a new association given their international status at this point.
 
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As a long time follower of this forum I am very disappointed that this thread has been allowed. I play because I enjoy table tennis but I know many great players come from countries with politics I don't agree with. Can't we just enjoy our sport without discussing politics and allowing propaganda.
 
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While what you say is true, it is still not optimal to put the emphasis on this "nation vs nation" view. It leaves bad taste, because it is safe to say that majority of USA people does not actively promote bombing other nations. We are all in this together, it is not nation vs nation, it is something else.
You're knocking the wrong door. He is only interested in spreading blatant CCP propaganda, not communicating :)
As a long time follower of this forum I am very disappointed that this thread has been allowed. I play because I enjoy table tennis but I know many great players come from countries with politics I don't agree with. Can't we just enjoy our sport without discussing politics and allowing propaganda.
Same, no clue why this topic was allowed.
 
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While what you say is true, it is still not optimal to put the emphasis on this "nation vs nation" view. It leaves bad taste, because it is safe to say that majority of USA people does not actively promote bombing other nations. We are all in this together, it is not nation vs nation, it is something else.
Well, even the Olympic Charter explicitly states that the Olympic Games are not competitions between countries, yet it's hardly the case in practice when the national flags are flown everywhere and the national anthems are played at every award ceremony.

As Martin Jacques first argued over a decade ago, the problem is that the West (including Japan and South Korea despite being part of Sinosphere) operates in the framework of "nation state", and forces that mentality upon China, which acts like a "civilization state" instead. That's also how Sun Yat-sen that I quoted in the original post described China in his Cantonese "State of the Union" speech back in 1924.

Ideas or terms along the line of 人類命運共同體/Community of Common Destiny that I first quoted when you asked me about the future, had actually been touted/preached by others way before Xi Jinping wrote it into the Constitution of the Communist Party of China and People's Republic of China in 2017 and 2018, respectively, but how many people around the world are aware of that, let alone take it seriously?

https://stillmed.olympics.com/media...ittee/IOC-Publications/EN-Olympic-Charter.pdf
6 Olympic Games*
1 The Olympic Games are competitions between athletes in individual or team
events and not between countries.
They bring together the athletes selected
by their respective NOCs, whose entries have been accepted by the IOC. They
compete under the technical direction of the IFs concerned.

Medals But No Country? The Olympics and the Fuzzy Boundaries of Statehood
https://www.fletcherforum.org/home/...lympics-and-the-fuzzy-boundaries-of-statehood
In international law, the Montevideo criteria provide some guidance, yet in practice political considerations appear to be as decisive as legal arguments. The rules of the International Olympic and Paralympic Committees constitute other attempts at categorizing phenomena of fluctuating sovereignty. When the next controversy arises, it would therefore be wise to consider the various ways in which an entity can be – de jure or de facto – sovereign or dependent, so as to better understand how rules can, or cannot, grasp a complex reality.

孫中山唯一存世廣東話演說錄音 Only remaining Cantonese speech recording by Dr Sun Yat-sen
https://youtu.be/uT4JOlqYJIs?t=115
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:國父孫中山先生在廣州勉勵國人演說(粵語).oga
諸君,試想想,我們中國幾千年來是世界一個文明的國家。幾千年前中國最強盛的時代,是可謂千邦進貢萬國來朝,各國都拜中國上風。
(Ladies and gentlemen, just think about it. For thousands of years, China has been a civilized country in the world. During the most prosperous period of thousands of years ago, China was a nation where thousands of countries paid tribute and all nations paid homage to China. All countries respected China.)

https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hk/国家#词源
國家也作國或邦,古漢語中「國」和「邦」原義為城市或市域,指封建諸侯的封地。因為領土採世襲傳承,與「家」結合,成為複合詞「國家」,意為由某個家族建立的世襲王朝。在中國清代之前,認為世界所有領土皆由皇帝擁有,因此沒有明確的國家概念,古漢語中的「國家」不完全與現代一致。現代漢語所說的國家,其意義主要起源於歐洲16世紀至19世紀間的各種政治學說,在19世紀中後期由歐洲國家與美國陸續傳入中國。
(The word "nation" (國) is also written as "國" or "邦". In Classical Chinese, "國" and "邦" originally meant city or urban area, referring to the fiefdom of feudal lords. Because territory was inherited hereditarily, it combined with "family" (家) to form the compound word "nation" (國), meaning a hereditary dynasty established by a particular family. Before the Qing Dynasty in China, it was believed that all territory in the world belonged to the emperor, so there was no clear concept of a nation. The Classical Chinese meaning of "nation" is not entirely consistent with the modern meaning. The meaning of "nation" in Modern Chinese mainly originated from various political doctrines in Europe from the 16th to the 19th centuries, and was introduced to China by European countries and the United States in the mid-to-late 19th century.)

When China Rules the World
https://youtu.be/3G1EyvRZmOs?t=723
I mean in some Western countries like Australia and uh uh the United States because of the way that they were created they are essentially um their sense of identity is purely and wholly a product of being a nation state and broadly speaking in across the Europe as well uh this is true that they are their sense of identity people sense of identity comes from being a nation state so here we have a fascinating difference between the Chinese experience and the Western experience the west Western nations are countries constituted on the basis of nation whereas China is a country constituted on the basis of civilization

https://youtu.be/3G1EyvRZmOs?t=1131
Hong Kong is as distinct from the rest of China as it was in 1997 now why were we wrong well I think we were wrong because we in the west think of it think of these questions in nation state terms so if you add a territory to your territory then you assume it's going to be the same system one country one system that is the nation state logic that is the nation state way of thinking
 
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People are on this forum to discuss TT, and even then, some posters get ignored because they are banging on a drum nobody cares to listen to.
So imagine having the same people selling you political propaganda. It's not even a debate, and I doubt you can actually have a debate here.

So would agree too. Can't see why this thread is of any benefit here.
 
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Note that this thread is in the "General Off Topic Discussion" section. See Nextlevel's post #17 for more details.

If you are not interested in the topic, then simply don't click on it. Better to ignore a single thread than ignore political posts littered throughout various TT threads. Besides, folks can recognize propaganda for what it is so I don't think a certain poster is doing his country any favors.
 
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Note that this thread is in the "General Off Topic Discussion" section. See Nextlevel's post #17 for more details.

If you are not interested in the topic, then simply don't click on it. Better to ignore a single thread than ignore political posts littered throughout various TT threads. Besides, folks can recognize propaganda for what it is so I don't think a certain poster is doing his country any favors.

Spreading CCP propaganda, not communicating basically sums up all his posts in off topic and non-off topic discussions.

How so much propaganda is allowed is beyond me, off topic or not. I guess money buys everything.
 
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Note that this thread is in the "General Off Topic Discussion" section. See Nextlevel's post #17 for more details.

If you are not interested in the topic, then simply don't click on it. Better to ignore a single thread than ignore political posts littered throughout various TT threads. Besides, folks can recognize propaganda for what it is so I don't think a certain poster is doing his country any favors.
It's only due to a single active moderator's will. In other words, it somehow reaffirms his worldview, otherwise I don't see an excuse to have a topic on a TT forum with lazy anti-western propaganda (at least partially AI-generated) with no interaction from a shitposter :)
 
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Note that this thread is in the "General Off Topic Discussion" section. See Nextlevel's post #17 for more details.

If you are not interested in the topic, then simply don't click on it. Better to ignore a single thread than ignore political posts littered throughout various TT threads. Besides, folks can recognize propaganda for what it is so I don't think a certain poster is doing his country any favors.
Sure
But the real question is "why does such a section even exist on a TT forum"?
That's absolutely the real question and there is no adequate, sufficient or proper answer.
It's absolutely stupid to have a forum dedicated to specific hobbies and interests (TT, Guitars, Motorcycles etc etc etc.) that insists on having politics and other nonsense absent from discussions and then has an entire section of its hosting site dedicated to these very things.

It's a duplicitous stance, completely non sensible and borderline hypocritical to say 'oh actually you can talk about that stuff but you have to talk about it over here'. 🤷
Forums should stay in their lanes and not have sections where they open themselves up to platforming idealogical propaganda of any kind.
Bottom line, none of this stuff belongs in here and having a 'section' for it while banning discussion of it in other threads is stupid.
 
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Bottom line, none of this stuff belongs in here and having a 'section' for it while banning discussion of it in other threads is stupid.

While it seems fairly well accepted that a lot of the posts here are propaganda, I haven't seen a single rebuttal or counterpoint to the any of the propaganda based on something that everyone can say is objectively true. Not saying this is necessary, but just pointing out that if anyone has criticisms of the propaganda, it isn't grounded in anything that I can actually use to tell it is propaganda. And that is a huge part of the problem for me as a moderator.

Now if the general argument is that "this is politics, it doesn't have a place on the forum".

1) a lot of politics affects table tennis and
2) lots of forums have sections for off-topic interests and conversations

So a lot of this comes down to moderator policy and in the absence of hard rules on the subject and someone taking the responsibility for the consequences of such rules, we just have to manage as best we can. Now if someone reported the posts for being antagonistic, non-inclusive etc. moderators can look at that. Even as dangerous propaganda with a factually based rebuttal that is also shared on the thread.

Finally, the forum has a broad but not absolute laissez faire policy. It also has a lot of history that tells you broadly what is in bounds. However, no two posters (and even in my experience, no two moderators) are going to see an issue quite the same way. Some people ardently try to get banned members that other posters find humorous.

So I am sure that you might find the band aid solution I came up with stupid. It might be, but it is the best I could do. The negative response to the posts is encouraging, but on subjective issues, I am not the site owner, and given the past, I far less often substitute my judgment for general thrust the broad laissez faire policy, especially in the absence of formal reports of posts.
 
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It's only due to a single active moderator's will. In other words, it somehow reaffirms his worldview, otherwise I don't see an excuse to have a topic on a TT forum with lazy anti-western propaganda (at least partially AI-generated) with no interaction from a shitposter :)
Since you think it is the result of a single active moderator's will, why not report it to the other moderators and site owners? Why not present arguments on the nature of the propaganda and why it is negative/destructive if this is your objective consideration?
 
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Since you think it is the result of a single active moderator's will, why not report it to the other moderators and site owners? Why not present arguments on the nature of the propaganda and why it is negative/destructive if this is your objective consideration?
You keep repeating "oh, just make counteragruments" but haven't you paid attention that people like Zeio and Igor don't interact and just keep shitposting? :)
What's the value of that "interaction" and having such a topic on a TT forum? If someone posted the wildest conspiracy theory and attached a hyperlink to an Alex Jones video, does it automatically become "grounded and backed up", and unless someone writes a thorough essay with detailed debunking it would not qualify as junk/propaganda?
 
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