Simon Gauzy and Shibaev Bust Up at Europe Top 16

[Persistence TT]

Shibaev was being a prick like he always is and provoked gauzy. He laughs ironically after the handshake and says "sorry" when the crowd boo's to irritate gauzy like he doesnot even care. After that you can hear him say

"after match if you want, we can speak" in a provocative manner walking towards gauzy. And then simon lost it, I feel for Gauzy he shouldnt over react (he said you are "f****ing shit", with a french accent that was hilarious) but Shibaev was clearly intending to irritate Simon, just like he did against Dima

 

[Persistence TT]

Let's stretch this one some more.
Suppose the ball on hitting the net post had bounced upwards. Shibaev hit the ball onto Gauzy's side of the table. Gauzy fails to retrieve. Whose point?

Shibaev's

in both occasions net post is not considered part of the table! I myself had to read the rules over and over, there is clearly a misconception even amongst pro's whether it should count or not.

 

[Tinykin]

I was trying to make posters think how far we could go with this. I have seen many versions over the years.
As said above, if the ball was over or heading towards the table when Shibaev hit it, then it would be an obstruction by Shibaev. Point to Gauzy

 

[Baal]

Ah the controversial "paddle rule" of my youth.

By the way whatever Retsina TTFrenzy was drinking this afternoon, I want some.

 

[Tinykin]

OK, I can' resist. One more scenario.
Suppose this happened at the start of rally. That is, Gauzy serves. The ball hits the net, then the post, and bounces upwards towards the table on Shibaev's side. Shibaev hits the ball onto the table on Gauzy's side. Gauzy fails to retrieve. Whose point?

 

[Persistence TT]

OK, I can' resist. One more scenario.
Suppose this happened at the start of rally. That is, Gauzy serves. The ball hits the net, then the post, and bounces upwards towards the table on Shibaev's side. Shibaev hits the ball onto the table on Gauzy's side. Gauzy fails to retrieve. Whose point?

hahah,well

since you are not indicating a second bounce then its gauzy's point. If it idoes bounce on shibaev's side then its a let because it hit the top of the net. The net post is also part of the net. Give me more !

 

[Tinykin]

This is one of the most significant but obscure rules in table tennis. I say obscure as the vast majority of TT players are unaware of it.
The answer is that it's a let.
That is, a receiver on trying to return a serve that has hit the net, cannot obstruct (or volley, as in tennis) the ball. It's always a let.

 

[Persistence TT]

This is one of the most significant but obscure rules in table tennis. I say obscure as the vast majority of TT players are unaware of it.
The answer is that it's a let.
That is, a receiver on trying to return a serve that has hit the net, cannot obstruct (or volley, as in tennis) the ball. It's always a let.

well
u certainly got me there

2.9 A LET2.9.1 The rally shall be a let:2.9.1.1 if in service the ball touches the net assembly, provided the service isotherwise correct or the ball is obstructed by the receiver or his or herpartner;

But wait a minute,how can the receiver obstruct the ball ? what does the 2nd sentence actually mean? That if the receiver obstructs the ball then its not a let but a point?

 

[Mytoman]

OK, I can' resist. One more scenario.
Suppose this happened at the start of rally. That is, Gauzy serves. The ball hits the net, then the post, and bounces upwards towards the table on Shibaev's side. Shibaev hits the ball onto the table on Gauzy's side. Gauzy fails to retrieve. Whose point?

Let. Obstruction in service is let. Obstruction in free play is lost point.

 

[raytt]

In my opinion simon hear that the ball hit something and he supposed it was the table... if he was in good intentions! If he saw that the ball did not hit the table... but tried to get the point... then, that could start a reaction from shibaev!

 

[kirua18]

In interview in french, he said he thank ball touched edge of the table but was not sure. He got impression of an edge. But he thinks cold, ball is outside the table.

And he said, he was not completely convince himself of it, that why he did not really contest decision.

 

[suds79]

All I know is this was awesome. The video made me chuckle.

I don't know where it started but you have two guys, who don't like each other and it got heated. Happens all the time in professional sports. Little bad blood between competitors makes for more interesting story lines.

No big deal.

 

[LordPippington]

I think table tennis should go the way of chess / boxing! Table tennis match and a boxing match between opponents following it!

 

[Konrad Bak]

Dima propably knows what Shibaev was talking to him because he plays in the biggest club in Russia

 

[jedimasterplk]

I see everyone calling Shibaev a prick. Maybe he is. BUT SO IS GAUZY. He is in fact a well known prick - I wont elaborate on how I know the details.
I suggest that people be more objective and fair in their observations/name calling - you can tell Gauzy was looking for trouble - he was waiting for shibaev as he was walking back after taking his towel. So no need to go overboard in taking sides - plus, Shibaev beat both Dima, AND Gauzy - fair and square.

 

[anchorschmidt]

I see everyone calling Shibaev a prick. Maybe he is. BUT SO IS GAUZY. He is in fact a well known prick - I wont elaborate on how I know the details.

Statement holds no weight without details

 

[jedimasterplk]

well, no details will be provided :-D..... there is no need.

 

[scragnoth]

Watch the point at 3.10:

clamp is considered net and the game goes on.

 

[jedimasterplk]

Yes, IF it then hits/lands on the table, is it clearly did in your example. That was not the case in the match today. The ball hit the post, and then flew off.

 

[scragnoth]

Yes, IF it then hits/lands on the table, is it clearly did in your example. That was not the case in the match today. The ball hit the post, and then flew off.

I know. I just put this to show the clamp is considered net, but not table. If they consider the clamp as a table, umpire need to give the point directly to mizutani in my example, because it hit the clamp from the wrong side. But the game went on.

The whole net set, even the screws under clamps considered as net.