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Duda still has to beat Fan, lol. Nothing against Duda's pedigree but the original point was that Uda scraping past Duda with a good comeback didn't mean he had surpassed a Togami who lost to Alexis (An Alexis who convincingly beat Duda in thr Euro Cup final BTW).
And of course, we saw the Duda-Uda rematch here if we go back to the original topic. And Togami vs Uda is only a zeio conversation at this point. But of course, we forget the original point (Uda vs Togami) and new tangents get a life of their own. That is the zeio way.
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First international title and WTT title for her, after that continental title.
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Sure. Even Matsushima performs better than Togami by that standard. When Uda lost to Yousef, crickets. The point was that Togami was a work in progress and losing a tight match to Lebrun was an incomplete assessment of his form. You can find all the quotes you need to argue against such a reasonable assessment. At a certain point, such stuff will get ignored by reasonable people, but i suffer from something is wrong on the internet syndrome and still entertain the silliness.
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Ahhh Wen Ruibo was so close but Duda just proves too strong for him. Congrats to Duda. But keep an eye out for Wen Ruibo in the future, he’s definitely a future star along with HYZ and CYY
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Well done Jianan! First French woman to win a contender! And you are the proof, that everybody has a 'prime' at a different age.
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Matsushima performs better than Togami only in your imagination. Their overall stats in 2024 already proved that. I'm tired of repeating myself.
If you look at the players Uda and Togami have lost to so far this year, the difference between them really comes down to those three 2-3 losses for Uda (WCT, Suravajjula and Abdelaziz). WCT is a former top 10 and MS bronze medalist in World Cup 2016 (3rd-4th 4-1 Karlsson), Asian Games 2022 (QF 4-3 LYJ), ATTC 2015 (QF 4-0 JWJ), Asian Cup 2016 (QF 4-2 Mizutani) and has defeated practically all former (even Mizutani) and current top JNT members. Care to remind me what you wrote about Abdelaziz here and here during WTTC 2025? We also have LGY's comment on the difficulty he faced.
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7/18=38.9% compared to 9/18=50% or 10/18=55.6% if he won those matches
Lost to 7 players and beat 2 players (Duda and AJH) ranked way above him (AJH was WR22 and Uda WR30 at Asian Cup 2025, and Uda 3W1L AJH after that, with the 1 loss in junior years)
| Year | Event | Player A | Player B | Player X | Player Y | Sub-event | Stage | Round | Result | Games | Winner | Winner |
| 2025 | WTT Contender, Skopje (MKD) | UDA Yukiya (JPN) | DUDA Benedikt (GER) | MS | Main Draw | QuarterFinal | 1 - 3 | 13:11 2:11 7:11 5:11 | DUDA Benedikt | |||
| 2025 | WTT Contender, Skopje (MKD) | UDA Yukiya (JPN) | LIAO Cheng-Ting (TPE) | MS | Main Draw | R16 | 3 - 0 | 11:7 11:7 11:7 | UDA Yukiya | |||
| 2025 | WTT Contender, Skopje (MKD) | UDA Yukiya (JPN) | LEVENKO Andreas (AUT) | MS | Main Draw | R32 | 3 - 1 | 12:10 11:8 9:11 11:6 | UDA Yukiya | |||
| 2025 | WTT Contender, Tunis (TUN) | UDA Yukiya (JPN) | ABDELAZIZ Youssef (EGY) | MS | Main Draw | R32 | 2 - 3 | 11:8 12:14 11:4 8:11 10:12 | ABDELAZIZ Youssef | |||
| 2025 | ITTF Men's and Women's World Cup, Macao (MAC) | CALDERANO Hugo (BRA) | UDA Yukiya (JPN) | MS | Qualification | 3 - 1 | 11:6 11:7 11:6 11:13 | CALDERANO Hugo | ||||
| 2025 | ITTF Men's and Women's World Cup, Macao (MAC) | UDA Yukiya (JPN) | WANG Eugene (CAN) | MS | Qualification | 2 - 2 | 11:4 4:11 7:11 11:9 | |||||
| 2025 | WTT Champions, Incheon (KOR) | UDA Yukiya (JPN) | MOREGARD Truls (SWE) | MS | Main Draw | R32 | 0 - 3 | 7:11 3:11 10:12 | MOREGARD Truls | |||
| 2025 | WTT Star Contender, Chennai (IND) | UDA Yukiya (JPN) | SURAVAJJULA Snehit (IND) | MS | Main Draw | R32 | 2 - 3 | 11:8 13:11 9:11 7:11 10:12 | SURAVAJJULA Snehit | |||
| 2025 | WTT Champions, Chongqing (CHN) | UDA Yukiya (JPN) | LEBRUN Felix (FRA) | MS | Main Draw | R16 | 0 - 3 | 4:11 5:11 9:11 | LEBRUN Felix | |||
| 2025 | WTT Champions, Chongqing (CHN) | UDA Yukiya (JPN) | DUDA Benedikt (GER) | MS | Main Draw | R32 | 3 - 2 | 4:11 8:11 12:10 11:5 11:6 | UDA Yukiya | |||
| 2025 | ITTF-ATTU Asian Cup, Shenzhen (CHN) | LIN Shidong (CHN) | UDA Yukiya (JPN) | MS | Main Draw | QuarterFinal | 4 - 1 | 11:7 11:6 11:4 10:12 11:7 | LIN Shidong | |||
| 2025 | ITTF-ATTU Asian Cup, Shenzhen (CHN) | UDA Yukiya (JPN) | AN Jaehyun (KOR) | MS | Main Draw | R16 | 3 - 2 | 8:11 12:10 11:7 9:11 13:11 | UDA Yukiya | |||
| 2025 | ITTF-ATTU Asian Cup, Shenzhen (CHN) | UDA Yukiya (JPN) | ALAMIYAN Noshad (IRI) | MS | Qualification | 3 - 0 | 12:10 11:5 11:6 | UDA Yukiya | ||||
| 2025 | ITTF-ATTU Asian Cup, Shenzhen (CHN) | WANG Chuqin (CHN) | UDA Yukiya (JPN) | MS | Qualification | 3 - 0 | 11:8 11:8 11:7 | WANG Chuqin | ||||
| 2025 | ITTF-ATTU Asian Cup, Shenzhen (CHN) | UDA Yukiya (JPN) | KORANI Ahmed (QAT) | MS | Qualification | 3 - 0 | 11:7 11:5 11:6 | UDA Yukiya | ||||
| 2025 | Singapore Smash, Singapore (SGP) | WANG Chuqin (CHN) | UDA Yukiya (JPN) | MS | Main Draw | R64 | 3 - 0 | 11:9 11:5 11:9 | WANG Chuqin | |||
| 2025 | WTT Star Contender, Doha (QAT) | WONG Chun Ting (HKG) | UDA Yukiya (JPN) | MS | Main Draw | R16 | 3 - 2 | 9:11 11:5 7:11 11:9 11:9 | WONG Chun Ting | |||
| 2025 | WTT Star Contender, Doha (QAT) | STUMPER Kay (GER) | UDA Yukiya (JPN) | MS | Main Draw | R32 | 2 - 3 | 11:9 9:11 9:11 11:9 3:11 | UDA Yukiya | |||
| Total: 18 |
Togami
9/17=52.9%
Lost to 7 players and beat 2 players (Harimoto and Jorgic) ranked way above him (CDS was WR21 and Togami WR23 at Singapore Smash 2025, and Togami 4W1L CDS after that, with the 1 loss in junior years)
| Year | Event | Player A | Player B | Player X | Player Y | Sub-event | Stage | Round | Result | Games | Winner | Winner |
| 2025 | ITTF World Table Tennis Championships Finals, Doha (QAT) | TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) | MOREGARD Truls (SWE) | MS | Main Draw | QuarterFinal | 2 - 4 | 16:14 11:3 7:11 8:11 10:12 9:11 | MOREGARD Truls | |||
| 2025 | ITTF World Table Tennis Championships Finals, Doha (QAT) | TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) | JORGIC Darko (SLO) | MS | Main Draw | R16 | 4 - 3 | 9:11 11:9 9:11 11:4 1:11 12:10 12:10 | TOGAMI Shunsuke | |||
| 2025 | ITTF World Table Tennis Championships Finals, Doha (QAT) | HARIMOTO Tomokazu (JPN) | TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) | MS | Main Draw | R32 | 1 - 4 | 7:11 9:11 11:9 5:11 9:11 | TOGAMI Shunsuke | |||
| 2025 | ITTF World Table Tennis Championships Finals, Doha (QAT) | KUO Guan-Hong (TPE) | TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) | MS | Main Draw | R64 | 0 - 4 | 3:11 8:11 6:11 6:11 | TOGAMI Shunsuke | |||
| 2025 | ITTF World Table Tennis Championships Finals, Doha (QAT) | MADRID Marcos (MEX) | TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) | MS | Main Draw | R128 | 0 - 4 | 2:11 2:11 5:11 2:11 | TOGAMI Shunsuke | |||
| 2025 | ITTF Men's and Women's World Cup, Macao (MAC) | TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) | LIANG Jingkun (CHN) | MS | Main Draw | R16 | 2 - 4 | 4:11 7:11 5:11 11:6 12:10 5:11 | LIANG Jingkun | |||
| 2025 | ITTF Men's and Women's World Cup, Macao (MAC) | LIN Gaoyuan (CHN) | TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) | MS | Qualification | 2 - 2 | 14:12 9:11 9:11 11:5 | |||||
| 2025 | ITTF Men's and Women's World Cup, Macao (MAC) | TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) | IONESCU Ovidiu (ROU) | MS | Qualification | 4 - 0 | 11:6 11:7 11:8 11:6 | TOGAMI Shunsuke | ||||
| 2025 | WTT Champions, Incheon (KOR) | FRANZISKA Patrick (GER) | TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) | MS | Main Draw | R32 | 3 - 2 | 11:5 11:4 7:11 10:12 11:5 | FRANZISKA Patrick | |||
| 2025 | WTT Champions, Chongqing (CHN) | TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) | LEBRUN Alexis (FRA) | MS | Main Draw | R32 | 2 - 3 | 14:12 8:11 13:11 9:11 8:11 | LEBRUN Alexis | |||
| 2025 | ITTF-ATTU Asian Cup, Shenzhen (CHN) | TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) | WANG Chuqin (CHN) | MS | Main Draw | QuarterFinal | 0 - 4 | 7:11 6:11 7:11 7:11 | WANG Chuqin | |||
| 2025 | ITTF-ATTU Asian Cup, Shenzhen (CHN) | TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) | SHINOZUKA Hiroto (JPN) | MS | Main Draw | R16 | 3 - 1 | 9:11 11:6 11:4 12:10 | TOGAMI Shunsuke | |||
| 2025 | ITTF-ATTU Asian Cup, Shenzhen (CHN) | TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) | FENG Yi-Hsin (TPE) | MS | Qualification | 3 - 0 | 11:3 11:9 11:6 | TOGAMI Shunsuke | ||||
| 2025 | ITTF-ATTU Asian Cup, Shenzhen (CHN) | JANG Woojin (KOR) | TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) | MS | Qualification | 3 - 1 | 5:11 11:9 11:4 11:6 | JANG Woojin | ||||
| 2025 | ITTF-ATTU Asian Cup, Shenzhen (CHN) | TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) | CHEW Clarence (SGP) | MS | Qualification | 3 - 0 | 11:5 11:8 11:5 | TOGAMI Shunsuke | ||||
| 2025 | Singapore Smash, Singapore (SGP) | TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) | QIU Dang (GER) | MS | Main Draw | R32 | 1 - 3 | 11:13 11:1 7:11 3:11 | QIU Dang | |||
| 2025 | Singapore Smash, Singapore (SGP) | CHO Daeseong (KOR) | TOGAMI Shunsuke (JPN) | MS | Main Draw | R64 | 2 - 3 | 7:11 11:7 4:11 11:9 7:11 | TOGAMI Shunsuke | |||
| Total: 17 |
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Listen, if you have to write a post that I cannot even quote and write a substantial response to because it is too long to convince me that Uda has surpassed Togami, then maybe it is more reasonable to say that the differences are not significant enough to discuss. Thanks!
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Once again, go convince Togami, not me.
In the latest interview, Togami only went to Germany (where it is 不自由/not free compared to Japan in terms of table tennis) and started to truly grow because Mizutani, whom you've questioned repeatedly, convinced the president of Togami's management company that he should play overseas.
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You are funny. So being right about something makes you a deity to be never questioned about other things? So Mizutani can tell players how to win WTTC singles medals he has never been good enough to win? And let's remember that Harimoto also went abroad as part of Mizutani's push. But in fact, who was citing that Togami was beating many of the players who you kept citing as the reasons for Uda surpassing Togami Like Duda, Dima and Jorgic in German League (I did) but then got the response that league matches do not have stakes?
Keep moving goalposts, it is your thing.
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At this point, you can't even come up with a valid counterargument. I have better things to waste my life on.
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Oh stuff if. You still haven't proved Uda surpassed Togami even with all your BS. So move the goalposts all you want. Keep wasting time.
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