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Alpay
03-18-2018, 06:01 PM
Hi guys, I try to give topspin but sometimes it goes with backspin. And I try to give backspin. It goes with topspin. How can I control them? How can I serve with underspin or topspin. What are the differences?

yogi_bear
03-18-2018, 06:07 PM
Are you using reverse pendulum service?

Alpay
03-18-2018, 06:13 PM
Are you using reverse pendulum service?
I use both of them but I can't control. I'm serving regularly. It has heavy spin but I don't know which type of spin.

vvk1
03-18-2018, 06:24 PM
I find all today's posts by the OP to be very surprising for someone who claims to be a professional player in his country.

Alpay
03-18-2018, 06:29 PM
I find all today's posts by the OP to be very surprising for someone who claims to be a professional player in his country.

All players have incomplete skills including Ma Long.

Lightzy
03-18-2018, 06:52 PM
If it confuses you, then at least it may confuse your opponents also ... ?

suds79
03-18-2018, 06:55 PM
Whew got to say this is a new one. Never heard of this problem before. I mean backspin & topspin are completely opposite spin types.

I suggest you record yourself here and post your training. Tell us what serve you're going for. That'll be the starting point.

Der_Echte
03-18-2018, 10:06 PM
Ask Carl... or hiz brother.... or any Goon Squad you observe that is in pursuit of Carl... all or any of them can help.

perham
03-19-2018, 09:55 AM
All players have incomplete skills including Ma Long.

I’m sure Ma Long knows exactly what spin he’s putting on his serves. Hell, even I know that, and trust me, if I was a professional I would not have earned much money.

To answer the original question, if you brush the top of the ball, it’s top spin, if you brush the bottom, it’s back spin, and if you brush the sides of the ball it’s side spin.


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yogi_bear
03-19-2018, 01:45 PM
On a pendulum serve if you contact the ball while your wrist is still flexed then it is more likely to give underspin. When it is on a more or less extended or releaxed positin it can produce side or topspin.

yogi_bear
03-19-2018, 01:47 PM
If you want to produce more side spin contact the back of the ball rather than its bottom.

ttmonster
03-19-2018, 02:08 PM
I think video of you trying to put those spins will help in giving advise .. in corkscrew serves the change is very subtle if you are trying to make it difficult to read so its not too uncommon to not know the exact spin .. however I would say it would not be as drastic as under spin to topspin , it will mostly be the degree of spin and underspin / side , side/top kind of situation ... remembering all of them have side spin anyways ... the only remedy is to practice while ensuring you are hitting something at the other end that tells you what spin it is ..

Der_Echte
03-19-2018, 02:16 PM
Monsters friend David was killing me on a corkscrew serve... I kept making mistakes on attacks vs that serve... until I decided to chop it back and live with his attack or miss.

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Brs
03-19-2018, 05:53 PM
This is the funniest OP I've ever seen on a TT forum. It's not that easy to get heavy topspin on a pendulum serve on purpose, to do it by accident while trying to serve backspin takes genius.

Assuming by "I am serving regularly" you mean fh pendulum serves, the difference may be where in the paddle you are making contact, and at what point in the trajectory of the paddle. If you touch the ball with the tip of the paddle while the paddle is moving down towards the table (early in the swing in other words) you might get heavy backspin/sidespin. If you touch the ball while the paddle is moving up away from the table (late in the swing) you might get topspin/sidespin.

Since you aren't sure what spin you are making, just read it off your opponent's rubber. If he pushes and it pops up, topspin. If it stays low, backspin. If he flicks, then you already know the ball is coming to you with some degree of topspin.

BeGo
03-20-2018, 06:53 AM
I forgot that Alpay use tacky rubbers,

which when we serve backspin but hit the ball too slow, the tackiness would actually held the back spin and return it as top spin. Vice versa with top or side spin. The opponent don't like it. :p

langel
03-20-2018, 10:38 AM
Alpay, I think that if you visit some TT club in Izmir you would receive the best answers to all of your questiuons by a coach or even a player.

Alpay
03-20-2018, 08:33 PM
Alpay, I think that if you visit some TT club in Izmir you would receive the best answers to all of your questiuons by a coach or even a player.

I'm playing at Izmir's best club already man :D

Ilia Minkin
03-20-2018, 08:38 PM
This is the funniest OP I've ever seen on a TT forum. It's not that easy to get heavy topspin on a pendulum serve on purpose, to do it by accident while trying to serve backspin takes genius.



Haha, sometimes I try to serve topspin, the ball goes off my racket and I assume it is indeed topspin, my opponent also thinks it is topspin, tries to flick/chop it, the ball goes into the bottom of the net, we are both shocked LOL.

langel
03-20-2018, 09:01 PM
I'm playing at Izmir's best club already man :D

That's great!
So what do your coach say about your questions?
Or other players in the club.
Look, its very difficult to give right answers blindly. Here we can't see your play.
All your questions are very easy to disscuss with your clubmates and the coach.

By the way which is the best TT club in Izmir?
I've heard by a freand for the veteran TT club Izvet and I plan to vizit it during my summer vacation on my way to Marmaris.

Alpay
03-21-2018, 01:24 PM
That's great!
So what do your coach say about your questions?
Or other players in the club.
Look, its very difficult to give right answers blindly. Here we can't see your play.
All your questions are very easy to disscuss with your clubmates and the coach.

By the way which is the best TT club in Izmir?
I've heard by a freand for the veteran TT club Izvet and I plan to vizit it during my summer vacation on my way to Marmaris.

İzmir Büyükşehir Belediyesi SK dude. Turkish second league and İzmir champion.