All to All+ looping blade for a child who is starting to play

Get donic appelgren allplay instead, TT11 have discount this week.

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Whichever is cheapest of any of the 5 suggested

Xiom Aria Lite, 5ply allwood, All+/Off-, 75 gr.

Check out gewo stuff. Handles are thin, head sizes are compact and frankly they are good quality blades with good prices.
A lot kids using gewo in our club and I'm impressed with gewo allround and off- blades.

yasaka sweden classic
Don't know about the layers etc but it's an incredible blade with great feeling and is great for learning the game.

I think donic has a blade designed for a kid's hand

yogi_bear said:

I think donic has a blade designed for a kid's hand

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Yogi, sometimes your contributions surprise me, with OP's remarks that triggered them in mind. In this case considering "not looking for a small one", "very comfortable with my Viscaria" against "has a blade designed for a kid's hand" is the stunner.

Theres probably people better skilled and knowledgable on here than myself but I wouldn't go for the Yasaka Sweden Extra - I bought one a while back to try and refine my strokes with a slower blade and really didn't like it, felt heavy and unbalanced, not nice in the hand and didn't seem to have consistent feeling. Its Koto outer I believe so not Limba as you mentioned.

I would go for Butterfly if you can - I think there handles usually feel smaller and the Grubba and Primorac are great blades for looping and learning. The Donic appelgren is decent too.

jammmail said:

Theres probably people better skilled and knowledgable on here than myself but I wouldn't go for the Yasaka Sweden Extra - I bought one a while back to try and refine my strokes with a slower blade and really didn't like it, felt heavy and unbalanced, not nice in the hand and didn't seem to have consistent feeling. Its Koto outer I believe so not Limba as you mentioned.

I would go for Butterfly if you can - I think there handles usually feel smaller and the Grubba and Primorac are great blades for looping and learning. The Donic appelgren is decent too.

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Anegre is the YSE's outer. I like that blade a lot, but then again, Limba lovers should probably go elsewhere.

Not sure how or why this "small handle size" thing is gearing up, with OP mentioning the Viscaria's handle as a snug one. That's not a thin handle, folks.

Thanks for the outer correction on the YSE – Re reading the OP I don't think the recommendations and the side point of it not being a thick handle is unhelpful.

Indeed it's seems to be difficult to play rubbers. I forgot what are the equivalent rating but i think I play around USATT 1500 - 1600 and i'm an adult, but i play with rakza 7 on my BH so an even harder rubber for a child seems quite difficult.
Also I don't know big dipper but it's a semi hard tensor tacky rubber no ? Also may be difficult to play

Usually for a kid i see advised easy tensor around 38° to 40°. Even sometimes non tensor like tibhar vari spin or mark V GPS. If you go tensor why not acuda S3 in 1.8mm, i played it and liked it a lot.

I remember that for a while, stiga all around classic + rakza 7 soft in 2mm was too fast for me. So for a developing child it may be good to really step down what he uses

all around S with Stiga DNA Future M or Vega Intro

yoass said:

Yogi, sometimes your contributions surprise me, with OP's remarks that triggered them in mind. In this case considering "not looking for a small one", "very comfortable with my Viscaria" against "has a blade designed for a kid's hand" baffle is the stunner.

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oppss overlooked the last requiremeent

Wister said:

Indeed it's seems to be difficult to play rubbers. I forgot what are the equivalent rating but i think I play around USATT 1500 - 1600 and i'm an adult, but i play with rakza 7 on my BH so an even harder rubber for a child seems quite difficult.
Also I don't know big dipper but it's a semi hard tensor tacky rubber no ? Also may be difficult to play

Usually for a kid i see advised easy tensor around 38° to 40°. Even sometimes non tensor like tibhar vari spin or mark V GPS. If you go tensor why not acuda S3 in 1.8mm, i played it and liked it a lot.

I remember that for a while, stiga all around classic + rakza 7 soft in 2mm was too fast for me. So for a developing child it may be good to really step down what he uses

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That is the advice a pundit would pretty much give, for good, tried and true reasons, but it really depends on what the kid is trying to do for growing and who/how is coaching them.

I am all for the progression of basic training with ALL+ wood blades, then when level and foundation is there, move to equipment more suited to what kid does/will do...

… but I also see many high level coaches start kids out with the BANG-BANG equipment, (Think FAST OFF or OFF+ blades and fast modern rubbers) train them in its use right away, and at some point, the kid is a Bang-Bang fast exchange preferring kind of player and does it well.

I have not seen the high level coaches worry too much about the bat overall weight... many of the young warriors training in Bay Area with 2600-2800 USATT level coaches start out immediately with Viscaria H3 and T05... it is like the standard issue equipment for those kind of coaches. Weight of that setup is around 190 grams... so many adults complain about that kind of weight, but you never see the kids be really hampered, many of those kids make 2000 in a few years, and many crack 2300 before they are old enough to have a date as a young teen.

If anyone is REALLY so worried about the weight, just get a 1 dollar protractor-compass, draw a pencil line 1 or 2 mm from the edge of the blade all around, then slowly use a wood file to shave the thing down... I would say start with just 1 mm and see how it goes. Finish with sand paper by hand.

At the end of an hour, you have a totally hand-crafted customized blade fit for a kid... you might have even improved the balance.

You lose a few grams of weight from the blade, but even more grams from the reduced space of the rubbers.
It is worth trying on any blade, but of course one would feel easier doing that with a $40 USD Stiga Allround Evolution or similar blade to reduce risk or error.

Get Donic Appelgren Allplay Senso V2 ( good for control), straight handle good for smaller hand. 5 ply wood very good blade, excellent reviews. This blade exactly meets your requirements. You can get some not expensive rubbers made by Palio like CJ800 on aliexpress. If you decide to get different rubbers for each side then get a little bit harder for forehand.

With all due respect, new players should develop proper techniques and not to rely on "bang-bang" equipment that cost hundreds of $$$. I believe, the most accomplished and consistent team is from China and kids there start with 5 ply ALL or ALL+ wood semi soft blade with some flex to develop good feeling and put $5-10 rubbers on them, forehand rubber is few degrees harder then backhand, and using this set up for years and doing just fine. It's pity that some highly rated coaches pushing really expensive equipment that suited for advanced players on someone new players in the sport who can't handle it. There are a lot good options on the market like Donic Applegren Allplay Senso V2 (extra control oriented), Stiga Allround, Yasaka Allround. Any of them you can buy for around $40. Pair it with some not expensive rubbers made by Palio (CJ800 or AK47 40+ yellow) or some 729 rubbers and you'd get very nice setup to start. See if new player likes the sport and willing to work to develop the game first before going on the spending spree