2024 US Open, Las Vegas Dec 16-21

[Wrighty67]

He lost 0-3 to Dima in the match I remember. Where is the video of the close loss?

Check it out - close fight in my view. Maybe you missed it?

 

[NextLevel]

Check it out - close fight in my view. Maybe you missed it?

I watched it live. It was a 0-3 loss and while the second game was close, Dima dominated the match with his power in the third. I guess we can all look at these matches with the color of glasses we prefer. That's the beauty of TT. Probably the first time I have heard someone describe an 0-3 loss as being close to beating an opponent. Even Kanak said he was dominated by Dima.

 

[Wrighty67]

I watched it live. It was a 0-3 loss and while the second ame was close, Dima dominated the match with his power in the third. I guess we can all look at these matches with the color of glasses we prefer. That's the beauty of TT. Probably the first time I have heard someone describe an 0-3 loss as being close to beating an opponent. Even Kanak said he was dominated by Dima.

Regardless, there are plenty of world class players who’ve lost 3-0 to Dima. I maintain my position that KJ is approaching a top 20 std.

 

[NextLevel]

Regardless, there are plenty of world class players who’ve lost 3-0 to Dima. I maintain my position that KJ is approaching a top 20 std.

That wasn't the argument. Kanak's game has elements that are arguably simplistic to an (a naive) observer. It's easy to watch his game (sometimes like Chuang Chi Yuan)and wonder what he does well that makes him so good. His record in the German league is stellar. He was clearly the favorite in the US Open to me this year, even though I don't think he was unbeatable (Olah was a better matchup, but maybe with Kanak's form it wouldn't have mattered). He is small and quick and has extremely strong setup game on serve return and serve (though i sometimes find his serve game a bit lazy but there is likely more variation that meets the eye).

I am just pointing out that one doesn't have to claim he almost beat Dima (and he clearly did not) to arrive at that conclusion. Even great players go through tough periods and sometimes have bad matchups for their style. Kanak struggles with certain kinds of players who can generate extremely high quality. But going to Duesseldorf next year and training with Kallberg and Dang will hopefully address some of that, I suspect training with Duda is helping for sure.

 

[zeio]

That wasn't the argument. Kanak's game has elements that are arguably simplistic to an (a naive) observer. It's easy to watch his game (sometimes like Chuang Chi Yuan)and wonder what he does well that makes him so good. His record in the German league is stellar. He was clearly the favorite in the US Open to me this year, even though I don't think he was unbeatable (Olah was a better matchup, but maybe with Kanak's form it wouldn't have mattered). He is small and quick and has extremely strong setup game on serve return and serve (though i sometimes find his serve game a bit lazy but there is likely more variation that meets the eye).

I am just pointing out that one doesn't have to claim he almost beat Dima (and he clearly did not) to arrive at that conclusion. Even great players go through tough periods and sometimes have bad matchups for their style. Kanak struggles with certain kinds of players who can generate extremely high quality. But going to Duesseldorf next year and training with Kallberg and Dang will hopefully address some of that, I suspect training with Duda is helping for sure.

Waldner made a similar comment on CCY when he visited Taiwan in 2005, that his style was the same when playing against WR2 player and WR200 player, which made him prone to getting figured out by the opponent.

[問題] Waldner 對莊智淵的看法 ([Q] Waldner's thoughts on CCY)
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/tabletennis/M.1369503709.A.837.html

談到台灣新一代的選手，華德納說自己打不過莊智淵，但是他也指
出莊智淵的打法太過單調，「對世界第二的選手跟世界第兩百名的選手打法都一樣」，這
樣容易被對手摸清球路。


以上是2005華德納來台,發表對莊智淵的看法,請問各位對華神的看法同意嗎?

 

[NextLevel]

Waldner made a similar comment on CCY when he visited Taiwan in 2005, that his style was the same when playing against WR2 player and WR200 player, which made him prone to getting figured out by the opponent.

[問題] Waldner 對莊智淵的看法 ([Q] Waldner's thoughts on CCY)
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/tabletennis/M.1369503709.A.837.html

Oh, I have heard it from many people who have either played or coached against him, thanks for having Waldner on record. Not saying that Kanak is exactly like him in simplicity and transparency (I think Kanak is less transparent), but that someone looking at him might be puzzled that this guy is good despite looking so simple and small. Kanak is also on record as having Chuang as a hero/idol because of similar playing size.

 

[CallMeZaddy]

He lost 0-3 to Dima in the match I remember. Where is the video of the close loss?

His match against dima in bundesliga. It’s on his channel I believe

 

[NextLevel]

His match against dima in bundesliga. It’s on his channel I believe

Thanks, it's obvious you posted before reading any of the subsequent comments.