Choing - Fairplay?

[WiWa]

Every player has the right to Cho after their point. Being obnoxious about it as LGY can get is just a part of the game. Losing focus because of something that happens in between points is a sign of poor mental toughness. I'm not saying that everyone should go out and Cho, but here's some food for thought. The world chooses to use a word "Cho" which is a slang term from the Chinese languages. While meaning 'ball' it's different in Cantonese and more translates to great ball or good shot. What pisses me off more than any other thing about the word "Cho" is that EVERYONE in the world chooses to use that word as a positive announcement to one's point. It is however a negative connotation because it's a Chinese slang term. It is the same as saying "China will always be at the top of this game." The sport was created and founded in Europe/U.S. depending on how one looks at the history of TT. China has some background history as well having played similar games as well, but the creation of the sport itself was from Europe's ITTF and the U.S.'s APPA.

I really hate to see european players and non Mandarin/Cantonese speakers saying the word Cho because it is basically admitting defeat to the Chinese as the standard of this sport. Don't get me wrong. They ARE the standard of this sport to grow to and strive for as far as technique, tactics, and winning goes; but to continue using their slang term for OUR sport is really really disappointing. It's their National Sport I get it, but if you really love this sport why resort to their customs and their growth when you can do the same with your own language.

I've heard WLQ and WH say "come on," rather than or after a Cho so why can't we all do the same. Yiyong Fan, a Chinese immigrant, chooses to say "Yes" rather than Cho in our tournaments and I really respect him for that. As someone trained and raised in China, to come over to the U.S. and learn our language he understands the necessity to be loyal to one's country. He's an American and he respects us by saying yes. To those of you who Cho, or enjoy the Cho-ing of others think more about your country's growth rather than the testament of China's.

I usually say something like 'hossa' or 'hoss' for short haha. I think everyone has their own version of 'cho'. For example Boll and Dima often say something like 'yoooh', idk how to spell it but with the y/j instead of ch
It is indeed interesting that China dominates so much that people all around the world copy their cho's xD

 

[tony_reynolds_uk]

I usually say something like 'hossa' or 'hoss' for short haha. I think everyone has their own version of 'cho'. For example Boll and Dima often say something like 'yoooh', idk how to spell it but with the y/j instead of ch
It is indeed interesting that China dominates so much that people all around the world copy their cho's xD

Its just a celebration... The chinese 'cho', The swedes 'Yoor', The French 'allez allez'.. No big deal about what you say. The juniors in the UK use pretty much all of these, a little too much IMHO but then they are young and excitable, I was the same.. but when I was a junior I used to copy Nigel 'Wicked' Eckersley style and also follow up with things like 'that was unplayable!'... so can't really talk! ;-) It's simple gamesmanship and exists in all sports..

 

[Matt Hetherington]

I don't think it's a problem to a certain point, I mean there gets to a point where it's just too much or too repetitive like a big string of cho's and stuff every point then it gets really annoying

 

[Anders]

Celebrating is a nartural part of every sport, so why not in table tennis? There are footballers out there that celebrate like idiots for a goal, so there are in basketball, handball and such.

It's only a natural part of the game to shout it out loud when you score a point or win a game.

 

[Camarão®]

Very happy that Niwa won, I hate these choooooing guys!

 

[Dan]

Very happy that Niwa won, I hate these choooooing guys!

Your the 20.000th poster Camarao

Ill reply to the thread when I get in everyone.

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[blahness]

LOL I am still waiting for the time where I can hear "Fk yeah!" when they win a point!

 

[Michal_Z]

Every player has the right to Cho after their point. Being obnoxious about it as LGY can get is just a part of the game. Losing focus because of something that happens in between points is a sign of poor mental toughness. I'm not saying that everyone should go out and Cho, but here's some food for thought. The world chooses to use a word "Cho" which is a slang term from the Chinese languages. While meaning 'ball' it's different in Cantonese and more translates to great ball or good shot. What pisses me off more than any other thing about the word "Cho" is that EVERYONE in the world chooses to use that word as a positive announcement to one's point. It is however a negative connotation because it's a Chinese slang term. It is the same as saying "China will always be at the top of this game." The sport was created and founded in Europe/U.S. depending on how one looks at the history of TT. China has some background history as well having played similar games as well, but the creation of the sport itself was from Europe's ITTF and the U.S.'s APPA.

I really hate to see european players and non Mandarin/Cantonese speakers saying the word Cho because it is basically admitting defeat to the Chinese as the standard of this sport. Don't get me wrong. They ARE the standard of this sport to grow to and strive for as far as technique, tactics, and winning goes; but to continue using their slang term for OUR sport is really really disappointing. It's their National Sport I get it, but if you really love this sport why resort to their customs and their growth when you can do the same with your own language.

I've heard WLQ and WH say "come on," rather than or after a Cho so why can't we all do the same. Yiyong Fan, a Chinese immigrant, chooses to say "Yes" rather than Cho in our tournaments and I really respect him for that. As someone trained and raised in China, to come over to the U.S. and learn our language he understands the necessity to be loyal to one's country. He's an American and he respects us by saying yes. To those of you who Cho, or enjoy the Cho-ing of others think more about your country's growth rather than the testament of China's.

I pretty much agree with you Richard,.. I must say I did cho too for a while, but then I saw our best player playing and even though he played in french league and all his teammates shouted alle or something like that,.. When he did a good point, he shouted: DOBRE! .. Which means GOOD in our language!
So since then I shout DOBRE too Or sometimes I shout AREEE (sounds portuguese), but its my own creation, the word means nothing, its just my own celebration

 

[Romina]

What about Bernardette Szocs from Rumania? I enjoy watching her matches but when she shouts out, it must be very annoying for her opponents. Besides, she's arrogant sometimes but I love her playing style anyway.

 

[Michal_Z]

Yeah, exactly!
I love watching her play, but I have to get volume very low everytime ..

 

[Scorpnox]

What about Bernardette Szocs from Rumania? I enjoy watching her matches but when she shouts out, it must be very annoying for her opponents. Besides, she's arrogant sometimes but I love her playing style anyway.

very annoying indeed... But you must understand that it's difficult to play against a chopper...
She is just (a bit too) happy to win the point

 

[WiWa]

very annoying indeed... But you must understand that it's difficult to play against a chopper...
She is just (a bit too) happy to win the point

She does that in all of her matches

 

[YosuaYosan]

What about Bernardette Szocs from Rumania? I enjoy watching her matches but when she shouts out, it must be very annoying for her opponents. Besides, she's arrogant sometimes but I love her playing style anyway.

Haha, watched that vid a week ago
What an earrape by that young girl X(

 

[Steven]

LOL I am still waiting for the time where I can hear "Fk yeah!" when they win a point!

3:28
I know he's not really saying it, but it totally sounds like it haha.


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[PlasmaLight]

3:28
I know he's not really saying it, but it totally sounds like it haha.


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haha "f**k yeah" will do it too at the weekend

 

[scylla24]

I think it is funny. I agree with everything that Wiwa says above, but it makes me laugh that these kids keep saying cho so loud. I know Wang Hao and Zhang Jike seem to use it as an intimidation thing where they are looking straight at the other player as they do it. These kids sound more like they are pumping themselves up. But when it is after every point that a player wins, it gets tiring to listen to as a spectator. I doubt it would bother me as a player though.

Yeah I think a lot of choing is about releasing the pent up tension and stress from each point. When you are focused so solely on each point, and all your mental concentration is focused on it, it can be very beneficial to release it, and in the case of the Chinese players they do it be choing. Its not good to leave the energy pent up, because that can subtly affect your game. I really don't think the players are using it in anyway to gain an advantage against their opponent, its more about affect oneself.

I feel like too many table tennis fans are way to picky about sportsmen ship and everything. Its a sport its about winning. The thread about no longer being ZJK's fan got into this, I feel like table tennis fans for some reason require a higher level of good behavior than for other athletes. So many comments bashed Lin gaoyuan in his match against Niwa, that I felt was really unnecessary. They are freaken 15-16 year olds, and yet so many of the fans and commenters were gloating about Lin losing, and about his supposed bad behavior. They never consider the fact that if they were in their shoes, they would probably be just as intense. These people devote their lives to the sport. We all talk about how hard Chinese train, how hard they work on table tennis, while when you are at a championship for something you literally devote the majority of your day training on, its going to be a big deal to you. If these kids perform badly it can cost them their whole career, and thus ruin their lives, so its completely understandable that they would be stressed, and try to do anything to relieve the tension, and if its by choing, then fine. I don't see that big of a deal with it.

In addition, Chinese culture generally is louder, its not good, its not bad. Its just a culture thing. In tennis, the fans cheer between points and then quiet when another point is about to start. In China, especially in the past, they would just cheer the whole time, even during points. Yelling Jia You, etc. And a lot of people complain how thats rude behavior, just because its not the practice, and they feel like the Chinese should adapt and change to fit their own western standards. You simply grow up in the culture you are used to. If you are used to playing with cheering all the time, then thats just that. Basketball players and football players play with constant noise. Its not like its rude of the fans to be cheering when the action is going on.

 

[scylla24]

Every player has the right to Cho after their point. Being obnoxious about it as LGY can get is just a part of the game. Losing focus because of something that happens in between points is a sign of poor mental toughness. I'm not saying that everyone should go out and Cho, but here's some food for thought. The world chooses to use a word "Cho" which is a slang term from the Chinese languages. While meaning 'ball' it's different in Cantonese and more translates to great ball or good shot. What pisses me off more than any other thing about the word "Cho" is that EVERYONE in the world chooses to use that word as a positive announcement to one's point. It is however a negative connotation because it's a Chinese slang term. It is the same as saying "China will always be at the top of this game." The sport was created and founded in Europe/U.S. depending on how one looks at the history of TT. China has some background history as well having played similar games as well, but the creation of the sport itself was from Europe's ITTF and the U.S.'s APPA.

I really hate to see european players and non Mandarin/Cantonese speakers saying the word Cho because it is basically admitting defeat to the Chinese as the standard of this sport. Don't get me wrong. They ARE the standard of this sport to grow to and strive for as far as technique, tactics, and winning goes; but to continue using their slang term for OUR sport is really really disappointing. It's their National Sport I get it, but if you really love this sport why resort to their customs and their growth when you can do the same with your own language.

I've heard WLQ and WH say "come on," rather than or after a Cho so why can't we all do the same. Yiyong Fan, a Chinese immigrant, chooses to say "Yes" rather than Cho in our tournaments and I really respect him for that. As someone trained and raised in China, to come over to the U.S. and learn our language he understands the necessity to be loyal to one's country. He's an American and he respects us by saying yes. To those of you who Cho, or enjoy the Cho-ing of others think more about your country's growth rather than the testament of China's.

As a Chinese, I actually think that cho thing meaning ball is a myth.... Yes they have the same sound, but I am pretty sure its more just a noise they make as a joyful thing for winning the point. It doesn't actually have any real Chinese meaning.

I don't think adopting the cho thing by westerners has anything to do with necessarily admitting defeat.... Some people just emulate some things that pros they like do, it doesn't have to necessarily get political. I don't necessarily have any more respect for that Yiyong Fan guy for saying yes as opposed to cho. I don't see that as being respectful, in fact, if we are to get political, him going out of his way to say yes, instead of something he is used to, is in my eyes kind of pathetic. I view it no differently from how many East Asians choose to change their name to an American one once they come to the US. When compared with people say from India, who almost never change their names. On the one hand, I guess it shows willingness to assimilate, which has its positive aspects, but on the other hand, it has a lot of negative aspects also. Why can't they have pride in their own natural given name, and just have their fellow americans understand that and respect that, without the need to actually pick an american name for themselves.

 

[Michal_Z]

3:28
I know he's not really saying it, but it totally sounds like it haha.


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Ehm.. is it just me or is the sound about half second late there??

 

[YosuaYosan]

3:28
I know he's not really saying it, but it totally sounds like it haha.


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Haha it does sound like it

 

[Anders]

Yeah I think a lot of choing is about releasing the pent up tension and stress from each point. When you are focused so solely on each point, and all your mental concentration is focused on it, it can be very beneficial to release it, and in the case of the Chinese players they do it be choing. Its not good to leave the energy pent up, because that can subtly affect your game. I really don't think the players are using it in anyway to gain an advantage against their opponent, its more about affect oneself.

I feel like too many table tennis fans are way to picky about sportsmen ship and everything. Its a sport its about winning. The thread about no longer being ZJK's fan got into this, I feel like table tennis fans for some reason require a higher level of good behavior than for other athletes. So many comments bashed Lin gaoyuan in his match against Niwa, that I felt was really unnecessary. They are freaken 15-16 year olds, and yet so many of the fans and commenters were gloating about Lin losing, and about his supposed bad behavior. They never consider the fact that if they were in their shoes, they would probably be just as intense. These people devote their lives to the sport. We all talk about how hard Chinese train, how hard they work on table tennis, while when you are at a championship for something you literally devote the majority of your day training on, its going to be a big deal to you. If these kids perform badly it can cost them their whole career, and thus ruin their lives, so its completely understandable that they would be stressed, and try to do anything to relieve the tension, and if its by choing, then fine. I don't see that big of a deal with it.

In addition, Chinese culture generally is louder, its not good, its not bad. Its just a culture thing. In tennis, the fans cheer between points and then quiet when another point is about to start. In China, especially in the past, they would just cheer the whole time, even during points. Yelling Jia You, etc. And a lot of people complain how thats rude behavior, just because its not the practice, and they feel like the Chinese should adapt and change to fit their own western standards. You simply grow up in the culture you are used to. If you are used to playing with cheering all the time, then thats just that. Basketball players and football players play with constant noise. Its not like its rude of the fans to be cheering when the action is going on.

I think you are a wise man Scylla. Thats why I support your opinion in this case, it's perfectly right!