TT Ball change after 2012 Olympics!

[YosuaYosan]

Maybe the China is the first to practice to show that its not to slow the game and not to stop China's domination.. Who knows ? Its one great TT country anyway..
About the price.. The new ball is made from plastic but I dont know whether plastic is cheaper or not compared to celluloid..
Dang I think about it too much.. I can still play TT anyway

 

[WiWa]

If you get a knuckle-ball you should always topspin it right off the bounce, since it has no spin in it. Also u avoid missing the ball because of its weird angle. Becaus the bounce is a clear thing. There are not many players who produce those shots and therefore they are hard to play. But if you play them a couple of times using the right strategy, you will never lose again if their game relies on those shots.

 

[Anders]

If the ball is about to change, I that it would be better if they set it back to 38 mm balls. It gives much more spin and speed, and its also more fun to play. With the ¨38 mm ball I think Europe would be a lot better on the international basis

 

[Matt Hetherington]

That's not a bad idea actually the 38mm ball in plastic could be the right balance. I think they will need to do a lot of testing with international players before the ball is released. I think we can sleep relatively easy knowing that we won't be given anything substandard with huge impacts on the game overall

 

[YosuaYosan]

Bump !
Question !
How is the friction level of celluloid compared to the new plastic ball ?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

It is interesting, I am completely not worried or thinking about this subject. I am confident that what ever ball they come up with, it will be fine even if it is a little bit of an adjustment. I would like the idea of them going back to 38mm but I will not worry about what ever they end up with. I am sure it will be up to par.

@ Anders: I am totally jealous that there was not anything like this when I was going to high school: "TiT (Toppidrettsgymnaset i Telemark) a school that combines school with getting as good as you can in table tennis." This could get me to go back to school if I did not have to work so much to support myself, my wife and my daughter.

 

[moriguchi2]

my question is and sorry if this is a repeat but what will it be made of and how will the new material affect play??

 

[pingpongnz]

My opinion, I think its stupid to change size of ball. I just want to stay same. If it gonna to change..... I dunno if how much a ball change will affect during my game.

 

[rhonis]

well i hope the ball will slow down the game. The speed that has grown in the last years is unbelievable. It can be nice to watch, but i think i like to watch a defender against an offender even more. Maybe the old chopping defenders can come back in the game. Now only with the womans proffessionals there are a few. Against men defenders stand no chance, maybe that changes. Who knows i think we just have to wait.

 

[azlan]

well i hope the ball will slow down the game. The speed that has grown in the last years is unbelievable. It can be nice to watch, but i think i like to watch a defender against an offender even more. Maybe the old chopping defenders can come back in the game. Now only with the womans proffessionals there are a few. Against men defenders stand no chance, maybe that changes. Who knows i think we just have to wait.

That's true rhonis. I think the ITTF is trying to make the game a little more diverse. Maybe we will be able to see more defenders in the top 10, or even no 1.

 

[rhonis]

That's true rhonis. I think the ITTF is trying to make the game a little more diverse. Maybe we will be able to see more defenders in the top 10, or even no 1.

I don't think it's necessary to get a defender as the number 1 of the world, but now defenders don't even stand a chance. If the game slows down a little bit, maybe there will stand up a new J.O. Waldner with time to play unbelievable blocks and stuff like that.

 

[YosuaYosan]

Nah, this will severe defenders' game down.
Back then when the ball was 38mm, the defender is always pressuring the attacker because of the massive load o' spin on the ball.

Now with the 40mm ball, the ball spin less therefore defenders now get pressured significantly.
The new ball after 2012 Olympics has larger diameter and higher bounce. Less spin, get hit more rather than looped, bad news for defenders it seems.
Reducing ball's speed won't be a help too because of the increasing speed in the game despite the glue ban.

 

[rhonis]

Nah, this will severe defenders' game down.
Back then when the ball was 38mm, the defender is always pressuring the attacker because of the massive load o' spin on the ball.

Now with the 40mm ball, the ball spin less therefore defenders now get pressured significantly.
The new ball after 2012 Olympics has larger diameter and higher bounce. Less spin, get hit more rather than looped, bad news for defenders it seems.
Reducing ball's speed won't be a help too because of the increasing speed in the game despite the glue ban.

Thats not good news. The higher bounce is not good, but less speed will be good i think. Is it for sure known what the material will be (plastic)?

 

[Mr. RicharD]

It's diameter is 0.5 mm on average more. As for the higher bounce I believe it also in the 1-2 mm range difference. If I'm not mistaken it'll also be made of PVC rather than Celluloid.

The newer ball won't really change much. The new ball is being added not replacing the celluloid ball. When the Celluloid balls are out of production and there are no more events to compensate the balls it will then replace the new ball. There are rules for both balls now as they will both be played in events simultaneously as I've read about.

If China is currently manufacturing the ball then there's no doubt they'll have the most practice time with it as opposed to the Euro players who'll have to weight for it to be sold in production. I think this will actually hurt the Europeans rather than the Chinese as China already has better footwork, technique, spin, and tactics so to make a ball that has slightly less spin and higher bounce would mean that the Euro players would need to hit harder and faster than the Chinese to produce conditions on balls that would win them points. The Chinese would simply have to learn the difference in height of the ball as they'll be spinning it more anyways.

 

[rhonis]

Is there a picture of the new ball? Because the picture in the start of the forum looks like a normal ball to me.

 

[YosuaYosan]

Is there a picture of the new ball? Because the picture in the start of the forum looks like a normal ball to me.

I think the new ball is seamless like the one in the picture.
Dunno for sure tho.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

The reason they are creating a new ball is because celluloid is dangerous and many countries have banned production of celluloid. So, to comply with this, they are changing what the ball is made out of to a different, safer form of plastic. Mr RicharD might be exactly correct in saying that the kind of plastic is PVC. Here is a quote from Wikipedia on PVC: " Polyvinyl chloride {PVC} is the third most widely produced plastic, after polyethylene and polypropylene."

So, a ball made out of a different kind of plastic. I believe the differences in size will be very small and what they are trying to do is make a plastic ball that responds as close to the way the current ball does as possible. Since it is made of a different substance, that probably will not be possible.

But the consideration, this time, was not the pace of the game or trying to make a particular style more successful, but the fact that celluloid is highly flammable and so many countries have banned its use.

 

[YosuaYosan]

The reason they are creating a new ball is because celluloid is dangerous and many countries have banned production of celluloid. So, to comply with this, they are changing what the ball is made out of to a different, safer form of plastic. Mr RicharD might be exactly correct in saying that the kind of plastic is PVC. Here is a quote from Wikipedia on PVC: " Polyvinyl chloride {PVC} is the third most widely produced plastic, after polyethylene and polypropylene."

So, a ball made out of a different kind of plastic. I believe the differences in size will be very small and what they are trying to do is make a plastic ball that responds as close to the way the current ball does as possible. Since it is made of a different substance, that probably will not be possible.

But the consideration, this time, was not the pace of the game or trying to make a particular style more successful, but the fact that celluloid is highly flammable and so many countries have banned its use.

It has been said that the danger is not in the production but in the delivery where there is a chance of overheating the balls and it will explode because of the pressurized gas inside

Anyway this new ball seems to be great to play with, more consistency, more durability, higher bounce so defenders could take the ball even later, but dunno about the ball-air friction level and the speed
And above all, CHEAPER Maybe tho..

 

[rhonis]

Well i know from playing a long time ago on holidays that we had some plastic balls, but the plastic balls have no grip at all. So the games can change a lot because celluloid has a layer on it that gives the grip on the ball. Makes it easier to put spin on the ball. Sure you can give spin to a slippery ball, but it's harder then the non-slippery ball.

 

[YosuaYosan]

Well i know from playing a long time ago on holidays that we had some plastic balls, but the plastic balls have no grip at all. So the games can change a lot because celluloid has a layer on it that gives the grip on the ball. Makes it easier to put spin on the ball. Sure you can give spin to a slippery ball, but it's harder then the non-slippery ball.

However if the ball has good grip on the rubber, it will also has a good grip on the air.
Imparted by spin is easier for the ball, so does losing it. Interesting