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People just have fewer doubts and arguments about what they are used to. Everyone knows that in every sport, #1 in the world is not always the same as the best player in the world. But getting to #1 ranking is usually an achievement to celebrate regardless. When Timo Boll was #1 in the world in 2011, did anyone consider him the best player in the world? Others have given the example of Xu Xin - the bonus points for winning events could be manipulated by attendance in the past.
Dima is the world #1. People should stop acting as if he committed a crime.
OKay - I will let you have the last word. Back to Grand Finals.
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Come on i didnt say such a thing .. haha .. why whatever i say every one connect it with zjk ??
zjk has been number 1 which deserved that and its was real . But what i said about dima really wasnt about looks . I mesnt his game . I hope he get this grand final and this number 1 fits him more
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what? FZD and Timo are wounded? what a shame, i hope it's not serious.
I am rooting for FB and Tomo, though they have less chance on paper
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No their quarterfinal match was today and they won. Fan won 4-0, Timo won 4-2. The other quarterfinals are played on Saturday.
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Results from Day 2 (Thu 14 December):
Men's Singles
Round of 16:
[1] Dimitrij Ovtcharov 4:3 Koki Niwa [11] (10:12, 11:6, 12:14, 11:6, 9:11, 11:9, 11:5)
[16] Kirill Gerassimenko 0:4 Tomokazu Harimoto [6] (9:11, 6:11, 5:11, 13:15)
[7] Simon Gauzy 0:4 Fang Bo [10] (6:11, 8:11, 8:11, 7:11)
[13] Masaki Yoshida 0:4 Lin Gaoyuan [4] (4:11, 1:11, 6:11, 7:11)
[3] Fan Zhendong 4:2 Chuang Chih-Yuan [15] (17:15, 8:11, 12:10, 8:11, 11:5, 11:6)
[9] Kenta Matsudaira 0:4 Xu Xin [5] (6:11, 8:11, 9:11, 8:11)
[8] Vladimir Samsonov 3:4 Wong Chun Ting [12] (3:11, 10:12, 11:9, 11:13, 11:4, 11:8, 9:11)
[14] Yuya Oshima 2:4 Timo Boll [2] (6:11, 11:8, 11:3, 10:12, 8:11, 6:11)
Quarter-finals:
[1] Dimitrij Ovtcharov vs Tomokazu Harimoto [6]
[10] Fang Bo vs Lin Gaoyuan [4]
[3] Fan Zhendong 4:1 Xu Xin [5] (11:6, 11:8, 9:11, 11:9, 12:10)
[12] Wong Chun Ting 2:4 Timo Boll [2] (11:4, 8:11, 11:9, 3:11, 9:11, 3:11)
Women's Singles
Round of 16:
[1] Chen Meng 4:2 Doo Hoi Kem [14] (11:5, 11:8, 11:6, 8:11, 9:11, 11:8)
[16] Cheng I-Ching 1:4 Feng Tianwei [8] (9:11, 11:7, 15:17, 5:11, 8:11)
[5] Gu Yuting 4:3 Miu Hirano [12] (11:5, 11:6, 10:12, 11:8, 9:11, 12:14, 11:9)
[13] Han Ying 2:4 Kasumi Ishikawa [3] (3:11, 9:11, 11:9, 12:10, 6:11, 4:11),
[4] Mima Ito 4:2 Sakura Mori [9] (11:8, 11:8, 11:7, 8:11, 5:11, 11:5)
[10] Shan Xiaona 1:4 Chen Xingtong [6] (2:11, 6:11, 10:12, 11:5, 10:12)
[7] Zhu Yuling 4:3 Hina Hayata [11] (9:11, 4:11, 11:8, 11:8, 11:5, 9:11, 11:7)
[15] Hitomi Sato 1:4 Wang Manyu [2] (6:11, 6:11, 7:11, 11:8, 10:12)
Quarter-finals:
[1] Chen Meng 4:0 Feng Tianwei [8] (11:4, 11:8, 11:6, 11:3)
[5] Gu Yuting 4:2 Kasumi Ishikawa [3] (6:11, 11:9, 11:8, 11:6, 6:11, 11:4)
[4] Mima Ito vs Chen Xingtong [6]
[7] Zhu Yuling vs Wang Manyu [2]
Men's Doubles
Semi-finals:
[6] Chen Chien-An/Chiang Hung-Chieh 2:4 Masataka Morizono/Yuya Oshima [2] (5:11, 7:11, 12:10, 14:12, 8:11, 5:11)
[1] Jin Ueda/Maharu Yoshimura 3:4 Ho Kwan Kit/Wong Chun Ting [3] (11:4, 3:11, 11:13, 11:3, 11:7, 10:12, 9:11)
Women's Doubles
Semi-finals:
[6] Honoka Hashimoto/Hitomi Sato 0:4 Chen Meng/Zhu Yuling [2] (12:14, 4:11, 9:11, 8:11)
[1] Hina Hayata/Mima Ito 4:2 Doo Hoi Kem/Lee Ho Ching [4] (8:11, 11:6, 9:11, 12:10, 11:9, 16:14)
Men's Singles
Round of 16:
[1] Dimitrij Ovtcharov 4:3 Koki Niwa [11] (10:12, 11:6, 12:14, 11:6, 9:11, 11:9, 11:5)
[16] Kirill Gerassimenko 0:4 Tomokazu Harimoto [6] (9:11, 6:11, 5:11, 13:15)
[7] Simon Gauzy 0:4 Fang Bo [10] (6:11, 8:11, 8:11, 7:11)
[13] Masaki Yoshida 0:4 Lin Gaoyuan [4] (4:11, 1:11, 6:11, 7:11)
[3] Fan Zhendong 4:2 Chuang Chih-Yuan [15] (17:15, 8:11, 12:10, 8:11, 11:5, 11:6)
[9] Kenta Matsudaira 0:4 Xu Xin [5] (6:11, 8:11, 9:11, 8:11)
[8] Vladimir Samsonov 3:4 Wong Chun Ting [12] (3:11, 10:12, 11:9, 11:13, 11:4, 11:8, 9:11)
[14] Yuya Oshima 2:4 Timo Boll [2] (6:11, 11:8, 11:3, 10:12, 8:11, 6:11)
Quarter-finals:
[1] Dimitrij Ovtcharov vs Tomokazu Harimoto [6]
[10] Fang Bo vs Lin Gaoyuan [4]
[3] Fan Zhendong 4:1 Xu Xin [5] (11:6, 11:8, 9:11, 11:9, 12:10)
[12] Wong Chun Ting 2:4 Timo Boll [2] (11:4, 8:11, 11:9, 3:11, 9:11, 3:11)
Women's Singles
Round of 16:
[1] Chen Meng 4:2 Doo Hoi Kem [14] (11:5, 11:8, 11:6, 8:11, 9:11, 11:8)
[16] Cheng I-Ching 1:4 Feng Tianwei [8] (9:11, 11:7, 15:17, 5:11, 8:11)
[5] Gu Yuting 4:3 Miu Hirano [12] (11:5, 11:6, 10:12, 11:8, 9:11, 12:14, 11:9)
[13] Han Ying 2:4 Kasumi Ishikawa [3] (3:11, 9:11, 11:9, 12:10, 6:11, 4:11),
[4] Mima Ito 4:2 Sakura Mori [9] (11:8, 11:8, 11:7, 8:11, 5:11, 11:5)
[10] Shan Xiaona 1:4 Chen Xingtong [6] (2:11, 6:11, 10:12, 11:5, 10:12)
[7] Zhu Yuling 4:3 Hina Hayata [11] (9:11, 4:11, 11:8, 11:8, 11:5, 9:11, 11:7)
[15] Hitomi Sato 1:4 Wang Manyu [2] (6:11, 6:11, 7:11, 11:8, 10:12)
Quarter-finals:
[1] Chen Meng 4:0 Feng Tianwei [8] (11:4, 11:8, 11:6, 11:3)
[5] Gu Yuting 4:2 Kasumi Ishikawa [3] (6:11, 11:9, 11:8, 11:6, 6:11, 11:4)
[4] Mima Ito vs Chen Xingtong [6]
[7] Zhu Yuling vs Wang Manyu [2]
Men's Doubles
Semi-finals:
[6] Chen Chien-An/Chiang Hung-Chieh 2:4 Masataka Morizono/Yuya Oshima [2] (5:11, 7:11, 12:10, 14:12, 8:11, 5:11)
[1] Jin Ueda/Maharu Yoshimura 3:4 Ho Kwan Kit/Wong Chun Ting [3] (11:4, 3:11, 11:13, 11:3, 11:7, 10:12, 9:11)
Women's Doubles
Semi-finals:
[6] Honoka Hashimoto/Hitomi Sato 0:4 Chen Meng/Zhu Yuling [2] (12:14, 4:11, 9:11, 8:11)
[1] Hina Hayata/Mima Ito 4:2 Doo Hoi Kem/Lee Ho Ching [4] (8:11, 11:6, 9:11, 12:10, 11:9, 16:14)
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Joo Se Hyuk, as a write-in vote to win the 2017 Grand Tour Championships, but since he isn't entered his chances don't look too good. Bummer. I happen to have a sneaking fondness for defense intermingled with selective attack.
Greetings to members of the TableTennisDaily forum. My name is Berndt Mann, and I shall be posting under the Internet nom de plume berndtjgmann. I am 75 years old, plunging headlong toward 76, and live in Tucson, Arizona in the American southwest.
I may be one of the very very few posters to any table tennis forum who began learning how to play table tennis competitively with an old fashioned hard rubber racket back in 1961. At that time I was living in Cleveland Heights, Ohio, and while a total novice to table tennis whose main athletic aspiration was to become a varsity tennis player for Cleveland Heights High School, at a tt club in the nearby suburb of South Euclid I met a Hungarian player named Danny Vegh, who was considering opening a table tennis club in downtown Cleveland, Ohio. In 1961 he did.
From 1961 to 1964 I worked at Mr. Vegh's club making sandwiches, passing out cold soft drinks, and keeping an eye on the goings on at the pool tables in the club to ensure that no gambling or hustling was taking place. This was from noon until around 6:00 in the evening, when Mr. Vegh, a Hungarian junior champion, six time Ohio state singles champion, and two time U.S. Open Doubles champion with partner Emory Lippai would come to the club from his job and give me lessons for free as I was working for him for free.
This was in the twilight of the hardbat era in the United States, and Danny Vegh, though not a coach as today's coaches are, gave me instruction first in the basic defensive strokes and techniques of that day--the backhand block, backhand and forehand pushes, backhand and forehand chops, and topspin and underspin services and where and at what speed and depth to place them. He also taught me side to side footwork, up and back footwork, the back footwork using a step/slide manner so that when chopping from mid-distance or long distance I could learn to cover a lot of territory with maximum efficiency. Then there was the mad dash back toward the table to push back a short push or counter drop a drop shot.
It was not until 1964 that he showed me the forehand and backhand topspin drives, and the forehand and backhand drop shots. Mr. Vegh is now 84 years old, and owns several bowling and pool equipment stores in tbe Cleveland and Akron, Ohio areas.
Since then I've received instruction from other well-known coaches, who helped me play as well an attacking plus chops game with inverted rubber. Later on I should give due credit to these gentlemen, but this is a slightly long introductory post.
But since Joo won't be around to drag home the swag, I would not mind one bit if Timo Boll would win the whole enchilada or at least go down fighting as the table tennis warrior I have seen.
Cheers to all,
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Greetings to members of the TableTennisDaily forum. My name is Berndt Mann, and I shall be posting under the Internet nom de plume berndtjgmann. I am 75 years old, plunging headlong toward 76, and live in Tucson, Arizona in the American southwest.
I may be one of the very very few posters to any table tennis forum who began learning how to play table tennis competitively with an old fashioned hard rubber racket back in 1961. At that time I was living in Cleveland Heights, Ohio, and while a total novice to table tennis whose main athletic aspiration was to become a varsity tennis player for Cleveland Heights High School, at a tt club in the nearby suburb of South Euclid I met a Hungarian player named Danny Vegh, who was considering opening a table tennis club in downtown Cleveland, Ohio. In 1961 he did.
From 1961 to 1964 I worked at Mr. Vegh's club making sandwiches, passing out cold soft drinks, and keeping an eye on the goings on at the pool tables in the club to ensure that no gambling or hustling was taking place. This was from noon until around 6:00 in the evening, when Mr. Vegh, a Hungarian junior champion, six time Ohio state singles champion, and two time U.S. Open Doubles champion with partner Emory Lippai would come to the club from his job and give me lessons for free as I was working for him for free.
This was in the twilight of the hardbat era in the United States, and Danny Vegh, though not a coach as today's coaches are, gave me instruction first in the basic defensive strokes and techniques of that day--the backhand block, backhand and forehand pushes, backhand and forehand chops, and topspin and underspin services and where and at what speed and depth to place them. He also taught me side to side footwork, up and back footwork, the back footwork using a step/slide manner so that when chopping from mid-distance or long distance I could learn to cover a lot of territory with maximum efficiency. Then there was the mad dash back toward the table to push back a short push or counter drop a drop shot.
It was not until 1964 that he showed me the forehand and backhand topspin drives, and the forehand and backhand drop shots. Mr. Vegh is now 84 years old, and owns several bowling and pool equipment stores in tbe Cleveland and Akron, Ohio areas.
Since then I've received instruction from other well-known coaches, who helped me play as well an attacking plus chops game with inverted rubber. Later on I should give due credit to these gentlemen, but this is a slightly long introductory post.
But since Joo won't be around to drag home the swag, I would not mind one bit if Timo Boll would win the whole enchilada or at least go down fighting as the table tennis warrior I have seen.
Cheers to all,
berndtjgmann
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Harimoto vs Dimitirj Ovtcharov! Big match!
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tomo chooing, dima and his sharapova's screaming= instant Mute
if Tomokazu will handle dima's serves 4:3 for him.
if Tomokazu will handle dima's serves 4:3 for him.
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3 sets all !!!! wow !!! in the sixth game suddenly Dima is losing it mentally
if he doesn't recover , he will lose to Harimoto .... its 50/50 now !!!
if he doesn't recover , he will lose to Harimoto .... its 50/50 now !!!
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Tomo is such an extraordinary talent. It's scary how good he can become in like 5 years from now. Not impressed with the World #1.
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Sorry, but these words seem contradictory to me.
Sadly I haven’t yet seen the match. I’ll gladly believe it witnesses extraordinary play by Harimoto. I’ll also believe it’s possible that Ovtcharov has games in which he doesn’t meet his usual standard. I have a hard time believing that a match in which Dima is so-so and Tomo is on fire will work out to this result.
So I suspect you may be misplacing the bar for at least one. Could that be true?
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what are the current timeline expectations on Harimoto? do we compare to FZD who was basically 2nd best player in the world by the time he was 17.
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Seriously???? Dima played magnificently!!!! In fact all the players in this event have been playing with rarely seen power and beauty.
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