Ok, not to make things more confusing. To me, Blahness is saying you need a "neutralising" contact to loop backspin effectively. My argument is, if you can relax and whip the ball, that is the "neutralising" contact you are looking for.Hi,
I've watched all videos suggested and reviewed the feedback by everyone and here are a few points I got:
1. There are 3 main factors to lift backspin balls:
+ Racket angle (open)
+ Swing path (upward)
+ Swing speed/acceleration
They compensate each other. Ex. If swing speed is low then racket angle needs to be more open and/or swing path is more upward
2. Acceleration at contact point
4. Use legs, hip, body, upper arm, fore arm, wrist, fingers in sync to get the most power, like throwing a frisbee or whipping a rope.
5. Over-exaggerate in practice to feel and fix.
And this is my product ^^. I tried to relax much more and use more forearm on forehand. Does it look better?
@pingpongpaddy : Thanks a lot for great suggestion. I started to focus more on consistency, placement, footwork and recovery as suggested by many others in this thread too.
So when you say, "If swing speed is low then racket angle needs to be more open and/or swing path is more upward," that is a dangerous concept. When you loop backspin, there is no such a thing as a slow or low swing speed. In order to neutralise that backspin, your swing speed and acceleration have to be high.
If you swing at the backspin ball with low swing speed and an open racket angle, only two things will happen: one, the ball will go into the net, or two you are hitting the ball underneath the ball now.
I see a lot of players getting into that bad habit. Because their swing speed is low, their paddle is so open now, that they are literally hitting the bottom of the backspin ball to get it over the net. Phil, by the way, you are not doing that. I am referring to some other players in general.
The only real way to loop against a backspin is fast racket speed from acceleration.
Like I said it before. My Chinese coach growing up taught to me to loop using the top sheet only with forearm. When I got really good at it, after six months, he told me to use my forearm, shoulder, waist and body to hit through the ball and snap my body. I was confused as heck for the next six months until I finally got it. So he taught me how to brush the ball for six months. Then he spent the following six months to relearn how to loop by engaging the sponge in a FORWARD and up motion. No more just going up and up. It is foreward and up.
And when you figure that out, that is when you finally learn how to loop drive or loop kill a backspin ball.
Just look at some of the top players playing against a chopper. They can loop a couple high slow ball. But when the backspin is less (don't get me wrong; at the top level there is still a lot of backspin on that ball), the attacking player would seize that opportunity to do a loop kill to finish the point. And trust me. They are looping the ball both FORWARD and up, and not just up and up all the time.