What about Joola Zhou Qihao 90? If your friend is pro player, which is obvious as he is sponsored, he can try this blade. It should play like Vis Super ALC or FZD Super ALC. Haven’t played with Joola ZQ 90, so can’t really compare them.
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I also tried both and they are very close in feeling but the donic is slower.
Also in german forums people tell its very close so this cant be totally wrong....
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OP asked for copy of Viscaria. Does mean should be same structure
Feeling is very subjective
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DHS 506x was very close according to TTGearlab. Some dhs blades splinter if you don’t varnish them
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In the time we've spent discussing this, he couldve just glued a stiga grip on the viscaria like all the pros do 🤣
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TCI: thickness according to some measurements in a German forum: "5.6 mm, 5.7 mm, 5.2 mm, 5.3 mm, 5.7 mm, 5.0 mm" That's like day and night.
Donic Baum Esprit and Skachkov Carbon also use the Viscaria structure but have larger heads 159 mm x 152 mm afair.
DHS quality: It depends... with the right glue (Revolution No. 3 or DHS No. 15) and 400 grit or 600 grit sandpaper this is usually not a problem or just seal the blade slightly. Don't know what they do but the koto 729 uses is still better even on their cheapest blades.
DHS 506X [Photos & Information]
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Butterfly ‘Viscaria’ which is the best seller of Butterfly is the representative of the ‘outer-fiber’ blade. And, it is also the representative of all fiber blades. ‘V…
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Tibhar MK Carbon [Full Review]
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DHS 506X: Ep 2.03, Ec = 1.82, Ec/Ep = 0.90, 85.2g, large head 159 mm x 150 mm
DHS 506X: Ep 2.13, Ec = 1.89, Ec/Ep = 0.89, 87.7g
Viscaria old: Ep 1.98, Ec = 1.80, Ec/Ep = 0.91, 86.0g, 5.7 mm
Viscaria new: Ep 2.02, Ec = 1.92, Ec/Ep = 0.95, 87.1g, 5.8 mm
Tibhar MK Carbon: Ep 2.01, Ec = 1.84, Ec/Ep = 0.92, 85.4g
Seems like the MK Carbon is very close to the older Viscarias (it's also close in feeling at index finger and palm according to the measurements).
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you can also have a viscaria with different thicknesses and weights.TCI: thickness according to some measurements in a German forum: "5.6 mm, 5.7 mm, 5.2 mm, 5.3 mm, 5.7 mm, 5.0 mm" That's like day and night.
Donic Baum Esprit and Skachkov Carbon also use the Viscaria structure but have larger heads 159 mm x 152 mm afair.
DHS quality: It depends... with the right glue (Revolution No. 3 or DHS No. 15) and 400 grit or 600 grit sandpaper this is usually not a problem or just seal the blade slightly. Don't know what they do but the koto 729 uses is still better even on their cheapest blades.
DHS 506X [Photos & Information]
DHS ‘506X’ is an outer-fiber blade which is rare in the blade range of DHS. ‘506’ series was originally a blade family consisting mainly of 7-ply wood blades such as ‘…Butterfly Viscaria (Current Model) [Photos & Information]
Butterfly ‘Viscaria’ which is the best seller of Butterfly is the representative of the ‘outer-fiber’ blade. And, it is also the representative of all fiber blades. ‘V…Tibhar MK Carbon [Full Review]
In 2023, Tibhar announced two new fiber blade – one inner-fiber model and one outer-fiber model. The inner-fiber model is ‘Libra ZAC’ whose artificial material includes three different …
DHS 506X: Ep 2.03, Ec = 1.82, Ec/Ep = 0.90, 85.2g, large head 159 mm x 150 mm
DHS 506X: Ep 2.13, Ec = 1.89, Ec/Ep = 0.89, 87.7g
Viscaria old: Ep 1.98, Ec = 1.80, Ec/Ep = 0.91, 86.0g, 5.7 mm
Viscaria new: Ep 2.02, Ec = 1.92, Ec/Ep = 0.95, 87.1g, 5.8 mm
Tibhar MK Carbon: Ep 2.01, Ec = 1.84, Ec/Ep = 0.92, 85.4g
Seems like the MK Carbon is very close to the older Viscarias (it's also close in feeling at index finger and palm according to the measurements).
mine was 5,5mm and 82g.
the (baum) esprit has a thicker core than the original viscaria...
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Without saying too much, the problem is not sponsorship, but when you represent a reseller, you have to play with the equipment it offers. Imagine the boss of Butterfly playing with a stiga blade... Same problem 😁
So yes, we can't play with other brands, and we don't want to do it, especially when we find equally interesting alternatives
So yes, we can't play with other brands, and we don't want to do it, especially when we find equally interesting alternatives
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I have played with the Tibhar MK Carbon blade for a month now coming from Viscaria to FZD ALC and now the MK Carbon. IMO it is really close to the Viscaria blade maybe a notch faster, but that is something that you will get used to pretty quick.
Dimensions of the handle are similar as well as the thickness of the blade. The straight handle from MK Carbon feels more comfortable as the roundings are larger. Below is a picture comparing the layers of the MK Carbon (left) and Viscaria (right).
Dimensions of the handle are similar as well as the thickness of the blade. The straight handle from MK Carbon feels more comfortable as the roundings are larger. Below is a picture comparing the layers of the MK Carbon (left) and Viscaria (right).
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You have to play with a blade that looks like a blade from your sponsor/reseller
FZD, Ovtcharov In this case with so many brands to choose from it should be possible to find something that is close or close enough, maybe something even better to ones preferred blade. Hopefully rubbers can be chosen without restrictions.
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I know the baum esprit, had one some time ago.
It feels similar indeed despite its 2nd veneer is ayous instead of limba.
very good blade fore the money but in my opiniin even the donic true inner was closer to the viscaria...
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I find this thread very interesting. It is nice to see how on topic and helpful people on the forum are capable of being:
OP - "I want and intend to use a blade from one of these brands: Tibhar, Donic, Victas, Xiom, Andro, Joola, Yasaka and Stiga, but would like a blade that is similar to a Viscaria.
TTDM #x - "Why don't you just get a Viscaria and put a Stiga handle on it?"
OP - "I don't want to use Butterfly blades. I want to be using equipment from one of the brands I mentioned."
TTDM #z - "You could just use a Butterfly blade and put a Stiga handle on it."
OP - "I don't want to use Butterfly blades. I want to be using equipment from one of the brands I mentioned."
TTDM #f - "Just get a blade from a Chinese manufacturer."
OP - "I want to be using equipment from one of the brands I mentioned."
TTDM #g - "You know you can glue any handle on a Butterfly blade you want. All the pros do it and nobody knows."
TTDM #e - "Get a blade from DHS."
TTDM #j - "Have one of the home blade makers make you what you want."
OP - "Is it worth my telling you guys that I would like a blade from one of the brands I mentioned."
Kudos to the forum members on the thread who gave actual information about products from one of the brands the OP was actually asking about.
In the end, I guess there is plenty of information on what the OP actually wanted that it does not really matter all that much. I just find it interesting how a good 1/3 of the comments seem to be telling the OP that he wants what he does not want.
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Here's the thing, viscaria's composition is koto-alc-ayous-kiri. A few woodworkers have posted this quite some time ago to correct Dan's mistake. After you see the grain difference of ayous and limba you can't unsee it either, it's trippy. I can send you the reports if you want.
Edit: found the link, https://ttgearlab.com/2023/07/18/butterfly-viscaria-current-model-photos-information/
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Tibhar, Donic, Victas, Xiom, Andro, Joola, Yasaka and Stiga
I find this thread very interesting. It is nice to see how on topic and helpful people on the forum are capable of being:
OP - "I want and intend to use a blade from one of these brands: Tibhar, Donic, Victas, Xiom, Andro, Joola, Yasaka and Stiga, but would like a blade that is similar to a Viscaria.
TTDM #x - "Why don't you just get a Viscaria and put a Stiga handle on it?"
OP - "I don't want to use Butterfly blades. I want to be using equipment from one of the brands I mentioned."
TTDM #z - "You could just use a Butterfly blade and put a Stiga handle on it."
OP - "I don't want to use Butterfly blades. I want to be using equipment from one of the brands I mentioned."
TTDM #f - "Just get a blade from a Chinese manufacturer."
OP - "I want to be using equipment from one of the brands I mentioned."
TTDM #g - "You know you can glue any handle on a Butterfly blade you want. All the pros do it and nobody knows."
TTDM #e - "Get a blade from DHS."
TTDM #j - "Have one of the home blade makers make you what you want."
OP - "Is it worth my telling you guys that I would like a blade from one of the brands I mentioned."
Kudos to the forum members on the thread who gave actual information about products from one of the brands the OP was actually asking about.
In the end, I guess there is plenty of information on what the OP actually wanted that it does not really matter all that much. I just find it interesting how a good 1/3 of the comments seem to be telling the OP that he wants what he does not want.
You said it all... I understand that they want to help me and share their good discoveries. But if I post this topic it is precisely because despite our numerous tests and our personal opinions, we want to learn from others and find a fair equivalent among the brands we have listed.
The goal is not to lie by hiding a blade, but to find similar sensations in another model and also be able to recommend it.
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