SANWEI Target National vs DHS Hurricane III Provincial

[Tony Funk My Racket]

Hey there!

The plan is to do my own direct comparison between Target National (new) and Hurricane 3 Neo Provincial 40' (blue sponge) in 2.15 mm. I need to make up my own assessment of these and how they compare - because there is conflicting information floating out there. I will post more info: weight, closeup shots etc.

I have a question about the DHS for anyone who can help please 🙏

I noticed that the sponge has a coating on it, some kind of silicone. It can be rubbed off - here is a photo showing what I mean on the edge.

Silicone rubbed off on the edge:

The question is do I leave the "silicone" coating on it or do I remove it, before anything else?

FYI the Target National is bare, here you can see the two compared (the darker blue one is the Target National:

Thanks a bunch !

p.s. the sponge looks very similar albeit the DHS seems more dense (less pores)

 

[Kolev]

The last 3,4 years I have used H3 prov extensively with almost all sponges available. I also experimented the different ways to boost and must say that the only way it works FOR ME is to clean the sponge before applying, regardless if new or old

 

[SamTheMan]

Keep the coating on. That coating is what differs standard H3 and H3 neo. A glue layer with some booster

 

[Lazer]

H3 neo is supposed to be pre-glued. So that coating is glue. In theory your not supposed to glue the rubber just the blade… to rub it off seems pointless…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[SFF_lib]

Hey there!

The plan is to do my own direct comparison between Target National (new) and Hurricane 3 Neo Provincial 40' (blue sponge) in 2.15 mm. I need to make up my own assessment of these and how they compare - because there is conflicting information floating out there. I will post more info: weight, closeup shots etc.

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I have a question about the DHS for anyone who can help please 🙏

I noticed that the sponge has a coating on it, some kind of silicone. It can be rubbed off - here is a photo showing what I mean on the edge.


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Silicone rubbed off on the edge:
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The question is do I leave the "silicone" coating on it or do I remove it, before anything else?

FYI the Target National is bare, here you can see the two compared (the darker blue one is the Target National:

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Thanks a bunch !

p.s. the sponge looks very similar albeit the DHS seems more dense (less pores)

Leave it on. 40 degree is soft enough to play as it is.

 

[Tony Funk My Racket]

Looks like the logical thing to do is leave it on. Thanks for the tips !

 

[disaster3]

I’m dying for the result and comparison. I gave up with STN, but my knowledge of boosting is only based on YouTube/forum and do not have any experience with Chinese like rubbers… only played esn/tensor ones. Still have unopened h3neo bs prov 40* black but until my knowledge increases I do not touch it before.

 

[Tony Funk My Racket]

Ok so here are more details about the comparison.

The dimensions (in mm) are 164 x 165 for the Sanwei and 164 x 168 for the DHS (ignoring the cut offs on top edges).

The thickness is hard to measure precisely but after a good close look I am quite confident they are almost exactly the same. Approximately 2mm thickness for the sponge. The photo below looks like over 2mm but when we align the ruler correctly it is actually 2mm. The topsheet + sponge comes to 4mm (or very very close to that). Both are the "same" for all intents and purposes.

The topsheet pip structure looks similar, spacing is very close to each other and topsheet thickness as well. It is very difficult to assess.

I will detach them after use in 3 months and update you on that.

The Target National specimen I have weighs in at 66g.

While the DHS weighs in at 73g.

Some math will give us the sponge density, some might be interested to know that the Target National is approximately 8~9% less dense than the DHS. I have accounted for the two cutoffs in my calculations.

0.0609 g/mm^3 for Sanwei.

0.0662 g/mm^3 for DHS.


I hope you all enjoy this small report.

Cheers.

 

[Attitude]

After 2 layers, here is the reaction:

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Thats quite a curl already. You sure you wanna go for another layer?
I mean thats still possible, but glueing it afterwards will probably be a pain in the ass

 

[igorponger]

Doubtful legitimacy, all your gluing works gone wasted, all in vain. Sorry.

 

[Attitude]

Doubtful legitimacy, all your gluing works gone wasted, all in vain. Sorry.

And nobody will give a fuck, especially nobody from ittf or any other organisation.

 

[Attitude]

Exactly, here it is after 3 layers..

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and you're spot on, it was a bit hairy, the Sanwei rubber is curling up a bit on the sides near the handle.

we can see it here, but I can fix this later by adding a bit of glue and keeping it pressed for a while.

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And here is the DHS

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I put 1 layer of glue on the rubber and two layers each on the blades. Adding the glue on the rubbers was quite ok depsite the curl as seen below. This is the DHS.

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And here is the SANWEI

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I waited for the glue to become translucid each time and here is the result, if it wasn't for the slightly different blue sponge colour, I would be unable to tell them apart by looking at the topsheet.

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I did a bounce test to compare, at this point they both feel identical: Sound, vibration feel in the hand, bounce height.

Today I will break-in the DHS. Next training it will be the SANWEI's time for break-in. After both are broken-in, I will take them both to the hall and do some back to back..

Both look quite beautiful this way. Hope they will keep sticking onto the blade. Glhf

 

[igorponger]

𝑷𝒍𝒂𝒚𝒆𝒓𝒔 𝒄𝒂𝒏❜𝒕 𝒃𝒆 𝒄𝒉𝒐𝒐𝒔𝒆𝒓𝒔.
𝒀𝒐𝒖 𝒎𝒖𝒔𝒕 𝒂𝒍𝒘𝒂𝒚𝒔 𝒐𝒃𝒆𝒚 𝒃𝒚 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝑹𝒖𝒍𝒆𝒔.

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[lodro]

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𝑷𝒍𝒂𝒚𝒆𝒓𝒔 𝒄𝒂𝒏❜𝒕 𝒃𝒆 𝒄𝒉𝒐𝒐𝒔𝒆𝒓𝒔.
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Of course us players CAN be choosers.
In my clubs half of the players choose to give me illegal serves - so I can choose to boost my rubbers. Nobody cares about ITTF rules.

 

[Zwill]

Ok so here are more details about the comparison.

The dimensions (in mm) are 164 x 165 for the Sanwei and 164 x 168 for the DHS (ignoring the cut offs on top edges).

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The thickness is hard to measure precisely but after a good close look I am quite confident they are almost exactly the same. Approximately 2mm thickness for the sponge. The photo below looks like over 2mm but when we align the ruler correctly it is actually 2mm. The topsheet + sponge comes to 4mm (or very very close to that). Both are the "same" for all intents and purposes.

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The topsheet pip structure looks similar, spacing is very close to each other and topsheet thickness as well. It is very difficult to assess.

I will detach them after use in 3 months and update you on that.

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The Target National specimen I have weighs in at 66g.

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While the DHS weighs in at 73g.

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Some math will give us the sponge density, some might be interested to know that the Target National is approximately 8~9% less dense than the DHS. I have accounted for the two cutoffs in my calculations.

0.0609 g/mm^3 for Sanwei.

0.0662 g/mm^3 for DHS.

As a (future) engineer, I feel compelled to examine the two rubbers under "real life" conditions I am therefore obliged to boost them accordingly. Each will be subjected to 3 layers of Haifu Seamoon (the standard one).

I will soon post a photo of the rubbers after two layers have been applied to see how they react.

I hope you all enjoy this small report.

Cheers.

It's almost comical how much better DHS applies the protector foil onto the rubber.

I look forward to the conclusion of this comparison.

 

[Jslick89]

@Tony Funk My Racket what happened to the pictures of your boosted rubbers? Did you end up taking the layer of glue off the DHS prov before boosting, or did you apply the booster directly over it? How did it take to the booster? a nice curl? WHat booster did you use?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

It's almost comical how much better DHS applies the protector foil onto the rubber.

haha, so true

 

[Tony Funk My Racket]

@Tony Funk My Racket what happened to the pictures of your boosted rubbers? Did you end up taking the layer of glue off the DHS prov before boosting, or did you apply the booster directly over it? How did it take to the booster? a nice curl? WHat booster did you use?

Both rubbers reacted in a very similar way and I applied three layers of Haifu Seamoon (standard one). The curl was very pronounced. I left the Hurricane III untouched, did not remove the original glue. Both rubbers required the same amount of break-in. In play, they behave similarly except for two notable albeit small differences:

- The Hurricane III has slightly higher throw so I needed to close the racket a bit more than with the Target.

- The Target National has a bit more kick when doing power top spins (kill shots), it snaps off the racket a bit faster and the sound is also notably more crisp when this happens. I suspect this is probably what happens with the Hurricane III National version too but unsure, I yet have to test this one.

The short game, blocking game, services = very very similar except the slight adjustment in racket angle due to the throw angle being a bit different. But the adjustment is easy, it took me a few minutes each time to adjust when I switched rackets.

 

[disaster3]

2nd layer of Seamoon regular on new STN, this sponge is like brick and do not want to stretch 🤯
Tomorrow 3rd layer

I’ll hope it will be domed a bit

 

[Tony Funk My Racket]

2nd layer of Seamoon regular on new STN, this sponge is like brick and do not want to stretch 🤯
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I’ll hope it will be domed a bit

Looked the same for me when I applied the 2nd layer, but started to curl nicely later when the 3rd layer got dry. It takes time to react. Be patient it's really worth it