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Anyone have a sneak peak of Glayzer yet?
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Seems like people are not impressed by the rubber.
I actually even find Rozena to be a quite nice rubber.
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Are they saying Glazyer falls into Rozena territory?
Or are they saying its worse than that?
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Come on Michael, I don't know these players level, to me they look like local league players if I have to be honest.
I think for that level Rozena and Glayer is very suitable.
Butterfly (Apple) is not dumb. They sell a sheet of Rozena or Glayzer to a local league player and it works they will sell a sheet of Tenergy or Dignics to the same player a year later who is looking for more...
You get hooked on iPhone SE on the cheap, you like the system that apple brings, and you might buy an iPhone 15 or whatever next...
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Glayzer和Glayzer 09c小试_哔哩哔哩_bilibili
结论：小号的D05和D09c，差不多8成水准, 视频播放量 14063、弹幕量 4、点赞数 127、投硬币枚数 6、收藏人数 16、转发人数 68, 视频作者 黑马聊乒乓, 作者简介 微信公众号：黑马聊乒乓。《乒乓世界》装备版特约编辑，相关视频：蝴蝶Glayzer 09C套胶玩家体验，蝴蝶新品！Glayzer & Glayzer 09C评测。超长测试环节！【内含沉浸式刷胶体验】，G09C和GLAYZER 能“平替”D09C D05吗？，glayzer09c 樊A glayzer，打了G09和glayzer，我发现了这些区别！，Glayzer...
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【图片】【最后一G】关于为什么我从一开始就不看好蝴蝶G05/09C这件事【乒乓球吧】_百度贴吧
【最后一G】关于为什..明天蝴蝶新品胶皮G05/09C就要正式发售了。而早在一个多月前，我从一开始就不看好这两款胶皮，还没有打也没有看过任何评测，仅仅通过蝴蝶官方给出的宣传彩页和性能数值信息，为何做出这样的预测呢？先来看看蝴
At the beginning, I also expected it to be average, but it turned out that I was wrong. After playing for two days, it is certain that it surpasses Rozena. There is no problem in stirring up the German rubber market, and it even feels a little amazing. Personally, I think it has 80% of the D series level.
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Very encouraging!A video preview and comment by 黑马聊乒乓, literally "Dark Horse Talks Table Tennis", who writes for the magazine Table Tennis World.
Glayzer和Glayzer 09c小试_哔哩哔哩_bilibili
结论：小号的D05和D09c，差不多8成水准, 视频播放量 14063、弹幕量 4、点赞数 127、投硬币枚数 6、收藏人数 16、转发人数 68, 视频作者 黑马聊乒乓, 作者简介 微信公众号：黑马聊乒乓。《乒乓世界》装备版特约编辑，相关视频：蝴蝶Glayzer 09C套胶玩家体验，蝴蝶新品！Glayzer & Glayzer 09C评测。超长测试环节！【内含沉浸式刷胶体验】，G09C和GLAYZER 能“平替”D09C D05吗？，glayzer09c 樊A glayzer，打了G09和glayzer，我发现了这些区别！，Glayzer...【图片】【最后一G】关于为什么我从一开始就不看好蝴蝶G05/09C这件事【乒乓球吧】_百度贴吧
【最后一G】关于为什..明天蝴蝶新品胶皮G05/09C就要正式发售了。而早在一个多月前，我从一开始就不看好这两款胶皮，还没有打也没有看过任何评测，仅仅通过蝴蝶官方给出的宣传彩页和性能数值信息，为何做出这样的预测呢？先来看看蝴
At the beginning, I also expected it to be average, but it turned out that I was wrong. After playing for two days, it is certain that it surpasses Rozena. There is no problem in stirring up the German rubber market, and it even feels a little amazing. Personally, I think it has 80% of the D series level.
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268名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2023/04/02(日) 22:46:00.38ID:Cl9YsabV
グレイザーとグレイザー09cをロゼナやQQと比較しながら打ってきた
ディグの性能3割減って感じ
ただ、ディグは高性能すぎて辛いと感じてたから、むしろ扱えるレベルの性能で嬉しい
他社ハイエンドの方が飛ぶし掛かるけど、グレイザーはシート強くて安定感が凄い
テナジーやロゼナほどオート感が強くなく、普通に良いけど凄く地味
I hit while comparing Glayzer and Glayzer 09C with Rozena and Q Quality
It feels like Dignics' performance with a 30% reduction
However, I feel that Dignics is too high performance that it is painful, so I'm rather happy with the level of performance that I can handle
High-end products from other companies tend to fly, but Glayzer has a strong sheet and a great sense of stability
The auto feeling is not as strong as Tenergy and Rozena. It is pretty good and modest.
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268名無しＱ(･∀･)ﾉ゜ｻｧﾝ!!2023/04/02(日) 22:46:00.38ID:Cl9YsabV
グレイザーとグレイザー09cをロゼナやQQと比較しながら打ってきた
ディグの性能3割減って感じ
ただ、ディグは高性能すぎて辛いと感じてたから、むしろ扱えるレベルの性能で嬉しい
他社ハイエンドの方が飛ぶし掛かるけど、グレイザーはシート強くて安定感が凄い
テナジーやロゼナほどオート感が強くなく、普通に良いけど凄く地味
I hit while comparing Glayzer and Glayzer 09C with Rozena and Q Quality
It feels like Dignics' performance with a 30% reduction
However, I feel that Dignics is too high performance that it is painful, so I'm rather happy with the level of performance that I can handle
High-end products from other companies tend to fly, but Glayzer has a strong sheet and a great sense of stability
The auto feeling is not as strong as Tenergy and Rozena. It is pretty good and modest.
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Hello everyone,
I got my Glayzer (the normal one) in 2.1mm on Friday and was able to test it for about 8-10 hours over the three days.
I tested it on two of the same blades (five-ply Butterfly Korbel), against the Tenergy 05 on the forehand and then against the Rozena on the backhand.
Here are my personal impressions, divided into two tests:
1) Glayzer 2.1mm -vs- Tenergy05 2.1 as forehand rubber
The Glayzer initially feels harder (pressure test and also when playing). The surface is a bit stickier than the T05, very slightly sticky but not particularly strong.
Topspins:
Opening with FH topspin on backspin is easier with the T05. Heavy backspin balls require more speed and effort with the Glayzer.
The T05 generates significantly more spin on topspins - this can be clearly seen when the ball bounces on the opponent's side, where the balls have a much higher bounce. Blocking opponent confirmed this.
When replaying with topspin against a block or topspin, the T05 is significantly faster and still generates more own spin. You have to go even further over the ball with the T05 so that the balls don't get too long. The Glayzer is a bit kinder here, the balls don't go as long and have significantly less spin and speed.
For ME as an uncompromising topspin player on the forehand, the T05 is clearly superior and offers more gears and possibilities - but is more sensitive.
Drives:
I haven't tested it extensively on the FH because it's not my game.
T05 is faster and a little less accurate and controlled here as well.
The Glayzer also feels a bit more direct/tighter here - you can place the balls a little better.
T05 maybe a bit more powerful and dangerous, but more control with the Glayzer.
Pushing:
For my taste, the T05 produces noticeably more backspin when pushing - the balls are more difficult to attack for the opponent.
The ball bounce is slightly higher with the T05 than with the Glayzer.
Pushing short (short-short game) is much easier with the Glayzer. In general, the balls are shorter with the Glayzer, a little better to control, but less spin.
Blocking:
When it comes to passive blocking, the Glayzer has a clear advantage. Only holding the blade leads to fewer mistakes, since the balls don't bounce as high and also come a little shorter - significantly less spin susceptibility.
In active counterplay (press block, counter topspin), I find the T05 stronger because it has more dynamic and gives your own ball more pressure and spin.
Services:
T05 produces significantly more spin and speed. Services with variations in spin or length are more unpleasant for the opponent to play back.
Short serves, spinless services work better with the Glayzer. Placement a little more accurate with the Glayzer.
Active returns of services much better for me with the T05 - it overrides the spin of the balls much better and gives more dynamic.
Passive returning is easier with the Glayzer. However, less spin is created.
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2) Glayzer 1.9mm -vs- Rozena 1.9 as a backhand rubber
Glayzer feels harder/tighter than the Rozena. The surface of the Glayzer is significantly grippier and stickier.
topspins:
Opening on backspin is easier with the Glayzer. The bounce of the ball is higher than with the Rozena, the balls come with more curve and easier over the net. The Glayzer generates more spin than the Rozena. Speed and length are not very different - when playing actively, the Glayzer gives you more speed and pressure options.
Opponent had to close the racket more when blocking.
When replaying with topspin on block / topspin, the rubbers play quite similarly. Here, too, the Glayzer generates more spin, with the Rozena I was able to place a little better. In general, more balls end up in the net with the Rozena, with the Glayzer they are a little less controlled and sometimes get too long/fast.
Drives:
The Rozena plays safer, placement is more accurate than with the Glayzer.
The Glayzer has more dynamic and it is easier to generate pressure, but also a bit more inaccurate than the Rozena.
pushing:
Glayzer creates more spin, the opponent has to topspin softer. Pushing short or sensitively works better with the Rozena. Control & placement are slightly better with the Rozena.
The balls with the Glayzer are spinnier and more dangerous.
Ball bounce is significantly higher with the Glayzer than with the Rozena.
blocking:
When it comes to passive blocking, the differences aren't that big. Rozena has less curve and the balls don't bounce as high.
Glayzer is slightly more sensitive to spin, the balls bounce a little higher or longer.
With both rubbers you can block well and safely, the Glayzer offers you the possibility to block more dynamically and with more pressure if you can or want to.
Active blocking is the same. Glayzer creates more dynamic again, but you have to be more careful and play more precisely than with the Rozena.
Services:
Glayzer generates more spin than the Rozena. Rozena plays more precisely and flatter.
When returning, the Glayzer is more sensitive to spin and requires more sensitivity.
Active returning is more demanding with the Glayzer, since it has more dynamic and sensitivity, but it also overwrites the spin significantly better than the Rozena. Good active returns are more dangerous with the Glayzer.
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I hope the impressions described can be of some help.
I don't want to draw a conclusion yet because there weren't enough games under pressure.
But to me it feels like the Glayzer sits squarely between the Rozena and the Tenergy05 in just about every category.
For those who think the T05 is too much of a good thing and the Rozena is not enough, this may be an interesting rubber.
For me as an active offensive player I don't think it's the right one for my more active side, a T05 has more dynamic and possibilities.
On the more passive side, it's interesting for me - but I still have to test it a lot more to see if it's too much in terms of safety.
Since my more passive side is the backhand, I would consider it as a replacement for the Rozena, if only as a backhand rubber, since it's great that openings on backspin and spin play are simply better.
In general, I would also like to emphasize that there really aren't any HUGE differences between the rubbers.
You can feel that these are butterfly rubbers with a similar feel and characteristics!
I got my Glayzer (the normal one) in 2.1mm on Friday and was able to test it for about 8-10 hours over the three days.
I tested it on two of the same blades (five-ply Butterfly Korbel), against the Tenergy 05 on the forehand and then against the Rozena on the backhand.
Here are my personal impressions, divided into two tests:
1) Glayzer 2.1mm -vs- Tenergy05 2.1 as forehand rubber
The Glayzer initially feels harder (pressure test and also when playing). The surface is a bit stickier than the T05, very slightly sticky but not particularly strong.
Topspins:
Opening with FH topspin on backspin is easier with the T05. Heavy backspin balls require more speed and effort with the Glayzer.
The T05 generates significantly more spin on topspins - this can be clearly seen when the ball bounces on the opponent's side, where the balls have a much higher bounce. Blocking opponent confirmed this.
When replaying with topspin against a block or topspin, the T05 is significantly faster and still generates more own spin. You have to go even further over the ball with the T05 so that the balls don't get too long. The Glayzer is a bit kinder here, the balls don't go as long and have significantly less spin and speed.
For ME as an uncompromising topspin player on the forehand, the T05 is clearly superior and offers more gears and possibilities - but is more sensitive.
Drives:
I haven't tested it extensively on the FH because it's not my game.
T05 is faster and a little less accurate and controlled here as well.
The Glayzer also feels a bit more direct/tighter here - you can place the balls a little better.
T05 maybe a bit more powerful and dangerous, but more control with the Glayzer.
Pushing:
For my taste, the T05 produces noticeably more backspin when pushing - the balls are more difficult to attack for the opponent.
The ball bounce is slightly higher with the T05 than with the Glayzer.
Pushing short (short-short game) is much easier with the Glayzer. In general, the balls are shorter with the Glayzer, a little better to control, but less spin.
Blocking:
When it comes to passive blocking, the Glayzer has a clear advantage. Only holding the blade leads to fewer mistakes, since the balls don't bounce as high and also come a little shorter - significantly less spin susceptibility.
In active counterplay (press block, counter topspin), I find the T05 stronger because it has more dynamic and gives your own ball more pressure and spin.
Services:
T05 produces significantly more spin and speed. Services with variations in spin or length are more unpleasant for the opponent to play back.
Short serves, spinless services work better with the Glayzer. Placement a little more accurate with the Glayzer.
Active returns of services much better for me with the T05 - it overrides the spin of the balls much better and gives more dynamic.
Passive returning is easier with the Glayzer. However, less spin is created.
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2) Glayzer 1.9mm -vs- Rozena 1.9 as a backhand rubber
Glayzer feels harder/tighter than the Rozena. The surface of the Glayzer is significantly grippier and stickier.
topspins:
Opening on backspin is easier with the Glayzer. The bounce of the ball is higher than with the Rozena, the balls come with more curve and easier over the net. The Glayzer generates more spin than the Rozena. Speed and length are not very different - when playing actively, the Glayzer gives you more speed and pressure options.
Opponent had to close the racket more when blocking.
When replaying with topspin on block / topspin, the rubbers play quite similarly. Here, too, the Glayzer generates more spin, with the Rozena I was able to place a little better. In general, more balls end up in the net with the Rozena, with the Glayzer they are a little less controlled and sometimes get too long/fast.
Drives:
The Rozena plays safer, placement is more accurate than with the Glayzer.
The Glayzer has more dynamic and it is easier to generate pressure, but also a bit more inaccurate than the Rozena.
pushing:
Glayzer creates more spin, the opponent has to topspin softer. Pushing short or sensitively works better with the Rozena. Control & placement are slightly better with the Rozena.
The balls with the Glayzer are spinnier and more dangerous.
Ball bounce is significantly higher with the Glayzer than with the Rozena.
blocking:
When it comes to passive blocking, the differences aren't that big. Rozena has less curve and the balls don't bounce as high.
Glayzer is slightly more sensitive to spin, the balls bounce a little higher or longer.
With both rubbers you can block well and safely, the Glayzer offers you the possibility to block more dynamically and with more pressure if you can or want to.
Active blocking is the same. Glayzer creates more dynamic again, but you have to be more careful and play more precisely than with the Rozena.
Services:
Glayzer generates more spin than the Rozena. Rozena plays more precisely and flatter.
When returning, the Glayzer is more sensitive to spin and requires more sensitivity.
Active returning is more demanding with the Glayzer, since it has more dynamic and sensitivity, but it also overwrites the spin significantly better than the Rozena. Good active returns are more dangerous with the Glayzer.
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I hope the impressions described can be of some help.
I don't want to draw a conclusion yet because there weren't enough games under pressure.
But to me it feels like the Glayzer sits squarely between the Rozena and the Tenergy05 in just about every category.
For those who think the T05 is too much of a good thing and the Rozena is not enough, this may be an interesting rubber.
For me as an active offensive player I don't think it's the right one for my more active side, a T05 has more dynamic and possibilities.
On the more passive side, it's interesting for me - but I still have to test it a lot more to see if it's too much in terms of safety.
Since my more passive side is the backhand, I would consider it as a replacement for the Rozena, if only as a backhand rubber, since it's great that openings on backspin and spin play are simply better.
In general, I would also like to emphasize that there really aren't any HUGE differences between the rubbers.
You can feel that these are butterfly rubbers with a similar feel and characteristics!
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Why would Glayzer produce less spin and power than T05 if G has a harder sponge? I thought the idea is that with a harder sponge, you get more potential offensive capability, but that it is harder to engage.
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That rule of thumb holds only when everything else is equal, e.g. T05 and T05 FX where they differ only in the sponge hardness.
The topsheet and sponge of Glayzer, which Butterfly claims uses Dignics' tech, likely has a slightly different formula.
The topsheet and sponge of Glayzer, which Butterfly claims uses Dignics' tech, likely has a slightly different formula.
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Right, but glayzer uses dignics tech right? That should be more advanced than Tenergy tech?
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As far as I understand, the technology was already advanced during the start of production of Tenergy. Modern rubbers simply need to be better adapted to the new generation of plastic balls that we now play.
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I haven't tried Glayzer but Glayzer09c definitely generates more spin than T05 on my BH
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On Butterfly rubber matrix, glayzer has lower speed than both Tenergy and Rozena. Why would this be if Glayzer is both newer and has harder sponge?
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Maybe since Glayzer should be paired with harder outer carbon blades over softer ones.
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Elasticity and tension also makes a huge difference. Imagine H3 boosted vs unboosted.
Why would new rubbers always have to be faster than older ones?
Faster does not mean better. Why would so many pros play h3 or d09c? Both are mich slower than t05 or mxp or whatever. Other stats like spin, arc, hardness, ability to counter, ability for short game matters as well or even more. Speed usually counteracts in all these categories
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