San Francisco looking for training partner.

[Tony's Table Tennis]

One data point only, and obviously subjective - having been a long term T05 user i ventured to buy a Japanese team T05 from Pro TT a few months back. To me it was a different level rubber and felt generally better than my other sheets. Difficuit to quantify but maybe slightly harder and tackier? (Came In white packaging but no other discerning marks I could see)

And Timo said, those rubbers don't exist (for him atleast)
Timo is a cool guy, but he is contracted by Butterfly and if he said otherwise, who knows what would happen.

 

[vvk1]

This thread is an interesting way to announce breaking 2200 without announcing breaking 2200. At least Scrubplayer won't go around saying he is really 2400 because he is underrated and plays in LA since he came to the East Coast and didn't see the miraculous jump in rating he expected. Much better than his historical douchiness.

Congrats on breaking 2200, scrubplayer, and best wishes with your long term TT.

The funniest thing about this thread is this obsession with the number 2000 amongst players from USA. Noticed it first when I joined mytt 15 years ago and has not changed a bit since then.

Here in England, for example, achieving a 1000+ rating in senior men would mean you're a band 3 or higher player in Grand Prix. All 1000+ players are very good players. And 1000 is a much better number to obsess about than 2000 (which is basically unattainable in England considering there are less than 10 players on 2000+ points) . And yet, neither this specific number not any number whatsoever pretty much does not feature at all in discussions about ranking and ranking points around here.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

The funniest thing about this thread is this obsession with the number 2000 amongst players from USA. Noticed it first when I joined mytt 15 years ago and has not changed a bit since then.

Here in England, for example, achieving a 1000+ rating in senior men would mean you're a band 3 or higher player in Grand Prix. All 1000+ players are very good players. And 1000 is a much better number to obsess about than 2000 (which is basically unattainable in England considering there are less than 10 players on 2000+ points) . And yet, neither this specific number not any number whatsoever pretty much does not feature at all in discussions about ranking and ranking points around here.

I also think 2000 USATT sounds a bit off
I mean, WTT players from USA can be 2500 upwards
2200 to 2500 isn't only 10~15% different, it is night and day.
even 2400 vs 2500, or 2500 vs 2600, the range is just so much for so little point different

so either 2500 is too low, or 2200 is too high.
I feel the gap between say 2400 and 2700 should probably be 1000 points and not just 300

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

The funniest thing about this thread is this obsession with the number 2000 amongst players from USA. Noticed it first when I joined mytt 15 years ago and has not changed a bit since then.

Here in England, for example, achieving a 1000+ rating in senior men would mean you're a band 3 or higher player in Grand Prix. All 1000+ players are very good players. And 1000 is a much better number to obsess about than 2000 (which is basically unattainable in England considering there are less than 10 players on 2000+ points) . And yet, neither this specific number not any number whatsoever pretty much does not feature at all in discussions about ranking and ranking points around here.

I suppose this obsession with numbers, it is an Mehrican thingy!

 

[Metaxa]

I put my money on the kid from video 4.

 

[vvk1]

I also think 2000 USATT sounds a bit off
I mean, WTT players from USA can be 2500 upwards
2200 to 2500 isn't only 10~15% different, it is night and day.
even 2400 vs 2500, or 2500 vs 2600, the range is just so much for so little point different

so either 2500 is too low, or 2200 is too high.
I feel the gap between say 2400 and 2700 should probably be 1000 points and not just 300

IMO, it's to be expected. The higher you go the fewer opponents at that level and higher, so the opportunities to increase your points are rarer. Here in England, the real skill difference between 800 and 1000 is less than between 1000 and 1200 let alone 1200 and 1400, and so on ...

 

[NextLevel]

The funniest thing about this thread is this obsession with the number 2000 amongst players from USA. Noticed it first when I joined mytt 15 years ago and has not changed a bit since then.

Here in England, for example, achieving a 1000+ rating in senior men would mean you're a band 3 or higher player in Grand Prix. All 1000+ players are very good players. And 1000 is a much better number to obsess about than 2000 (which is basically unattainable in England considering there are less than 10 players on 2000+ points) . And yet, neither this specific number not any number whatsoever pretty much does not feature at all in discussions about ranking and ranking points around here.

The rating historically is reasonably strong (expert strength or maybe top 10% of tournament players ) in most ELO systems. My late coach said that 2000 level players were like unicorns before the proliferation of Asian immigrant coaching. 2200 and 2400 are clearly more elite and probably beyond the reasonable attainment of most people without then resources to dedicated themselves to professional training or close to it. Even 2000 tends to require lots of training as well.

 

[vvk1]

The raring historically is reasonably strong (expert strength or maybe top 10% of tournament players ) in most ELO systems. My late coach said that 2000 level players were like unicorns before the proliferation of Asian immigrant coaching. 2200 and 2400 are clearly more elite and probably beyond the reasonable attainment of most people without then resources to dedicated themselves to professional training or close to it. Even 2000 tends to require lots of training as well.

Absolutely, training is the key. And just to be clear, going up 200 rating points is a very impressive achievement, which only gets harder the further you go and also as one gets older, so I applaud the OP for getting there.

 

[NextLevel]

Absolutely, training is the key. And just to be clear, going up 200 rating points is a very impressive achievement, which only gets harder the further you go and also as one gets older, so I applaud the OP for getting there.

It is very impressive and most people would love to straightforwardly celebrate the achievement. OP being OP, it always has Its wrinkles...

 

[Leno]

you the one saying a chinese coach uses it for a year (leaving it on for a year lol)... are you changing your quote now to bs?

and who say who is trying to improve? are you quoting me trying to improve? I gave up probably 10+ years ago.
or you quoting your chinese coach who doesn't train but still trying to improve and happy to use them for 1 year without removing it?

Look, I'm not trying to be mean, I've probably used up way more H3 rubbers than you and all your EJ rubbers, maybe even x 2 or x 3.

leaving H3 on for a year, unless your coach is an amateur, any one who understands the feeling of glue drying out would atleast remove it and reglue it
maybe you just don't know and assuming no one on planet earth does it.

you need to know, not everyone has 10~20 H3 rubbers to use a year like I used to and after a week, I don't like it, I remove it and chuck it away. because the quality or inconsistency was bad back then.
reboost is okay, you are 2200 level... it is just random middle school girls team or slightly better boys elementary school level in Taiwan. For any one that is serious and high level, ie 2600+, they won't use H3 for more than 2 weeks. So, inside the pro circle you won't hear of reboost.
I never used to reboost, but now I don't play, and would reboost to just keep the feel.
If you call my experience bull shit, then believe what you want to believe.

even if you don't reboost or keep ESN or BTY rubber on, it needs reglue. Some times the glue feeling is just wrong and players change the glue after 1 session.

I think since your level is not high, your coach can use a dead unfeelable H3 and still block your balls with ease.
But would your coach use that 1 year old H3 in anything serious? I doubt, unless he/she doesn't want to buy new rubbers and need to reuse it until it "bubbles".

What Tony said. The standard is different for people. If you are going the pro route, then it is understandable to not reboost because you won't be using that rubber for the next big event, because it will be used up for training.
You automaticly reglue a new sheet for your next tournament. You can't take a former pro's preferences for amateurs and semi-pros.

It is of course more efficient for us to not reboost. However, we normally use the same rubber for tournaments and training at the same time, so instead of getting a new sheet for every tournament we try to get the maximum out of a sheet. I wouldn't reboost shit either if I was just giving training.

It's all about perspective. I tried to reboost the shit out of my last sheet and I need to agree that after 6 layers or 3 times reboosting the H3 is just dead. IMO reboosting 1-2 times is still fine and should last people at least 3-6 months.

EDIT: If you don't reboost it will be just a normal without boost H3 that can last you for 1 year. Boosting just uses up the potential and increases the limit of a rubber for a certain period of time.

 

[lodro]

I have black shoes (with white stripes if that matters) but didnt have yellow ones before. Now I am totaly confused 😬

Don't worry, you will be alright.
Actually it is not the color that matters, it is the sole. You must glue some Flubber on it.

 

[lodro]

What Tony said. The standard is different for people.

Indeed this is so true.
My system is to not boost for my BH and to boost just once for my FH. However this once boosting is simply 1 layer of Seamoon. That is all I need when i use H3. I now use Loki R3 Pro on my FH and no boost at all.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

IMO, it's to be expected. The higher you go the fewer opponents at that level and higher, so the opportunities to increase your points are rarer. Here in England, the real skill difference between 800 and 1000 is less than between 1000 and 1200 let alone 1200 and 1400, and so on ...

Yep
So this make the minority in the top with possibly wrong ratings.

I have been trying to bridge Taiwanese levels to that of usatt ratings. We dont use any ratings, so im trying to compare with levels.
Sally Moyland grew up in Taiwan, so that is easy.
Darryl Tsao has been travelling vack to Taiwan and train.
So these 2, 2500 players are a bench mark for me to compare.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

What Tony said. The standard is different for people. If you are going the pro route, then it is understandable to not reboost because you won't be using that rubber for the next big event, because it will be used up for training.
You automaticly reglue a new sheet for your next tournament. You can't take a former pro's preferences for amateurs and semi-pros.

precisely.
I know a few Tibhar sponsored players. They get unlimited rubbers (yes, no limit).
some changes daily (even if it is just training for 1 day), some use it for 2 to 3 days.

TTD is not semi pro or pro space, so I won't come here and suggest everyone to change K3 rubbers every 2nd day...

I used to change H3 rubbers every 3 to 4 weeks
now, maybe every 3 to 6 months
I wouldn't reboost back then, now, I will and its okay and still usable, or at least for me.
I have been advising so many coaches from areas where new rubbers is luxury, to buy booster to just give old rubbers some life back. I have even given few bottles of booster away for this cause. Everyone's standard or circumstances is difference. Hence, I am collection "old" pro used rubbers, for distribution to Africa, because those pro rubbers still have a lot of life in it. I had like 10 sheets of D05, and I think they were probably all used less than 1 week, it was just so new.

 

[longle]

Bollocks ! 😂😂😂

Everybody knows that the rubber swells up and gets thicker too.

true, that's why 2.1mm is the favorite among pros because it has room for expansion

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

true, that's why 2.1mm is the favorite among pros because it has room for expansion

i'm sure zwill is talking about top sheet getting thinner and not rubber in whole getting thinner.

 

[banbekas]

Therefore, if you boost and glue the h3 rubber. The tension will ALWAYS be there until it bubbles. so if you boosted and glued your h3 properly the rubber STAYS there.....

The rubber is stretched indeed but it's not like the "tension" from the booster is still there. The way you phrase it as if it's enough to just stretch the rubber to get the tension. Boosting is indeed expanding and stretching the sponge, but the chemicals are the one that actually give the effect, imo. Otherwise, it's a waste of money to get yourself a booster if you can just achieve the same effect just by stretching the rubber.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Otherwise, it's a waste of money to get yourself a booster if you can just achieve the same effect by just stretching the rubber.

I hope igor is reading this, as this russian dry boosting theory is getting their players further and further away from elite level.

 

[Tyce]

If your rubber gets larger after taking it off... Did you just stick it on too soon after boosting? That sounds like such reverse logic to me...

 

[Master Capybara]

Sorry didn’t read the whole topic but the title is so rage bait.
I used to reboost mu h3n a lot. 3-4 times. And all plays perfect. So do not afraid to do that.