San Francisco looking for training partner.

[Tony's Table Tennis]

CNT gave the answer many many many months ago

 

[zeio]

The problem is who he lost to next. Beating your teammate and getting all cocky, only to lose to the 2nd biggest threat from the next Olympic host? Here in China, there is no room for a team killer.

At the CNT, the objectives of every "quest" are simple: [獨]守半區 (defend your half of the bracket [alone]) and 會師決賽 (rendezvous in the final).

成王敗寇
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/foru...itle=wtt-champions-macao-2022-10-1923#1134004
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/foru...itle=wtt-champions-macao-2022-10-1923#1134036

 

[h-vu]

I had it but I lost it. I can get one for you but with all the shipping and stuff it's $300 and a month. I need to ask my mom to buy it from Korea, ship to Hong Kong and she ships to me

A month ? damn, that's so long

 

[God-scrubplayer]

Can anyone explain to me given the same composition, same material same everything.

How a blade that's thinner let's say 5.82mm compare to a 6.00mm blade? What's the differences the pros and cons etc... Thanks!

 

[God-scrubplayer]

Afaik it's allowed but one of my clubmate say it's not allowed. so what's the rule on this? Can do a "pump fake" on serve as long as the ball doesn't leave my hand?

 

[Archosaurus]

Strictly physically speaking, if the material constant is the same and the only thing that changes is the ply thickness, the thicker blade should be overall faster and have less dwell time due to the higher natural frequency IMO. Although an actual blade physics expert can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Afaik it's allowed but one of my clubmate say it's not allowed. so what's the rule on this? Can do a "pump fake" on serve as long as the ball doesn't leave my hand?

how you going to make sure the ball doesn't leave your hand?
any method to hold the ball down would be illegal

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Can anyone explain to me given the same composition, same material same everything.

How a blade that's thinner let's say 5.82mm compare to a 6.00mm blade? What's the differences the pros and cons etc... Thanks!

In this era of 40++ mm ball era:
1) 9mm thickness: Meh! The ball hardly move.
2) 10mm thickness: Hmmm, just about right! Nice baby, just nice.
3) 10,5mm thickness: Hell yeah baby! Now we're talking....

 

[PaddyPolar]

Thicker= faster and heavier, less vibration
Thinner= Slower but lighter, more vibration.

 

[God-scrubplayer]

how you going to make sure the ball doesn't leave your hand?
any method to hold the ball down would be illegal

Sticky hands

 

[IB66]

Is the serve deemed to have started as soon as you 'present' the ball?? if you make a fake motion, don't hit the ball, then it could be taken as a serve fault???

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Sticky hands

with what, glue??

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Is the serve deemed to have started as soon as you 'present' the ball?? if you make a fake motion, don't hit the ball, then it could be taken as a serve fault???

I didn't check rule book, but I gather this would/could probably be in the lines of unsportmanship conduct in the worse case scenario

 

[Egon]

This is actually a very serious difference. 6 will be faster, stiffer and heavier.

 

[igorponger]

There is a written guidance by ITTF Umpires Committee about the given case to make it clear once and for all.

 

[Trevize84]

There is a written guidance by ITTF Umpires Committee about the given case to make it clear once and for all.

Any link to that official document?

 

[yoass]

2.6.1 Service shall start with the ball resting freely on the open palm of the server's
stationary free hand.
2.6.2 The server shall then project the ball near vertically upwards, without
imparting spin, so that it rises at least 16cm after leaving the palm of the free
hand and then falls without touching anything before being struck.
— https://documents.ittf.sport/sites/...21-08/2021ITTFHandbook_v2_clean_version_1.pdf

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

2.6.1 Service shall start with the ball resting freely on the open palm of the server's
stationary free hand.
2.6.2 The server shall then project the ball near vertically upwards, without
imparting spin, so that it rises at least 16cm after leaving the palm of the free
hand and then falls without touching anything before being struck.
— https://documents.ittf.sport/sites/...21-08/2021ITTFHandbook_v2_clean_version_1.pdf

From my memory, the way joo se hyuk serves is grey line and he gets away with it
his palm is always quite high above the table,
and then he will bring it down to table height and then go upwards.
the "bring down" is not part of the rules. rules has it as "only going upwards". That is why I say it is grey line.

 

[Der_Echte]

9.5 of definitions in the 2023 ITTF Handbook allow a player to present the ball, hold it STATIONARY, then move to another location behind endline and present/serve.

Key word is stationary. When the Service motion is started... it is started. The accepted interpretation of when a serve begins is based on this.

It would be a serve fault to initiate the service motion and stop it without continuing the serve motion. It is interpreted that the downward movement and stop without serve is deemed to be an attempt at a serve... and of course failure to start a serve and fail to make a proper serve is a point to opponent.

ITTF umpires have a precent of allowing the serve motion to begin with a downward movement, so long as the ball stays above table (but many never call it when pros drop ball a few cm below table)

It may also be possible with what Tony describes as a violation of good sportsmanship if the umpire observes and discerns it to be this.

9.5 Thus if the ball accidentally rolls off the server’s hand before he or she starts to throw it his or her opponent does not score a point, because the ball was not in play. For the same reason a player may place the ball on his or her free hand and hold it stationary but then change his or her mind about the type of service he or she will make and move to another position to do so. Provided he or she has made no attempt to throw the ball, no point is scored

 

[Matt Hetherington]

Technically it’s about the ‘service motion’ starting. Once you start a service motion you cannot stop or interrupt it