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[blahness]

To elaborate on the lower centre of gravity i made a post on it:

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/posture-to-loopkill-underspin-easily.35049/

So what a lot of ppl get wrong is that they think lower centre of gravity = bending at knees alone which is wrong. A lot of it is actually bending forward at the hips (ie forward lean). In fact, bending at knees has much less of an effect in lowering eye height compared to bending forward at the hips. I call it the 'forward lean' for lack of a better word and it is easiest to do in a lunge position. Side lean (leaning sideways)is wrong and you wont be able to achieve the same deg of bending as forward lean anyway.

There are huge benefits to having this forward lean, especially when looping heavy backspin. It is because this allows your glutes (one of the most powerful muscle groups) to power the shot. If you bend only at the knees you only activate the quads.

But it is easier to have some cues for eg dropping eye level (which does the same thing as increasing forward lean)

If you watch most CNT players they have this 45 deg ish forward lean angle when they loop backspin.

This forward lean is crucial for almost all TT shots in general be it serve, receive, loop, etc...

What I learnt recently is not to recover from a short receive push in a straight line (which will compromise the forward lean) but simply rotate upper body to recover. This way you preserve the forward lean which is super useful for all subsequent shots.

 

[Arch]

What hardness H3 are you using? How do you find D09C on your BH? Is it physically demanding?
@scrubplayer

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Well done
I like what i'm reading on the equipment part, especially the part of EJ.

you have these people who think EJ is changing equipment to find the perfect match. We have regulars like tensorbackhand who is maybe king in ttd in finding clones and changing every week and have 100s of questions on technique and equipment on a weekly basis.

I like to highlight one very important matter on equipment that OP has posted.
In his journey from 2000 to 2200, he has bonded with his equipment, knowing how to boost it, and/or glue it.
Understanding your equipment is very important to get to high level and it isn't only about boosting, but understanding the full ability of your equipment.

So this is why when I get amateur question like, is Rxton 9 or Hurricane 3 faster.... I tend to shake my head.
To me, Rxton 9 is the closes feel I have to Hurricane 3 national and no other rubbers is close.
OP is talking about the feeling, some times people can say sound of contact, or you can feel it is in your hand or both.
That is when you are bounded with your equipment (think avatar the movie, haha)

Knowing how to glue, when to reglue, when to throw away, it is also all in the feeling.

So it is very important to build up and grow with the correct equipment (not best equipment, as there is no best equipment ever).

For the ones who enjoy to buy equipment every week, that is your prerogative.
For those that want to grow in playing level, then learn to use your equipment to its full potential

 

[dingyibvs]

Damn i just searched for Golden Vis pricing and that is quite a bomb ouch...

Think i'll just stick with my normal vis.

I watched a Chinese equipment channel guy who said he spoke to a few blademakers, he says that they all think the golden Vis has some extra resin in the composite layer, making it a bit harder and heavier. Also that in order to balance out the heavier head, some weight is put into the otherwise hollow handle so that while it's quite a bit heavier than the regular Vis the balance is the same.

One of my clubmates has a golden Vis with the same rubbers as me (boosted BS H3N national 40 degrees and unboosted D09c), in my brief hits with it it seems to have a bit more arc for whatever reason than my regular Vis, and the feel in the hand is very different. It feels a bit more woody, kind of like a Stiga Hybird my other clubmate has (also the same rubbers, except his H3 is 41 degrees).

 

[blahness]

I watched a Chinese equipment channel guy who said he spoke to a few blademakers, he says that they all think the golden Vis has some extra resin in the composite layer, making it a bit harder and heavier. Also that in order to balance out the heavier head, some weight is put into the otherwise hollow handle so that while it's quite a bit heavier than the regular Vis the balance is the same.

One of my clubmates has a golden Vis with the same rubbers as me (boosted BS H3N national 40 degrees and unboosted D09c), in my brief hits with it it seems to have a bit more arc for whatever reason than my regular Vis, and the feel in the hand is very different. It feels a bit more woody, kind of like a Stiga Hybird my other clubmate has (also the same rubbers, except his H3 is 41 degrees).

This sounds like a kinda W968 like feel? A bit more muted and springier compared to normal Viscaria?

 

[mcfly]

This sounds like a kinda W968 like feel? A bit more muted and springier compared to normal Viscaria?

Vis Gold is more solid, esp when you hit hard
here's the epoxy resin inside the handle

 

[mcfly]

I like to highlight one very important matter on equipment that OP has posted.
In his journey from 2000 to 2200, he has bonded with his equipment, knowing how to boost it, and/or glue it.
Understanding your equipment is very important to get to high level and it isn't only about boosting, but understanding the full ability of your equipment.

So this is why when I get amateur question like, is Rxton 9 or Hurricane 3 faster.... I tend to shake my head.
To me, Rxton 9 is the closes feel I have to Hurricane 3 national and no other rubbers is close.
OP is talking about the feeling, some times people can say sound of contact, or you can feel it is in your hand or both.
That is when you are bounded with your equipment (think avatar the movie, haha)

Knowing how to glue, when to reglue, when to throw away, it is also all in the feeling.

So it is very important to build up and grow with the correct equipment (not best equipment, as there is no best equipment ever).

For the ones who enjoy to buy equipment every week, that is your prerogative.
For those that want to grow in playing level, then learn to use your equipment to its full potential

bond with the equipment - yes
train with the equipment - the best way to develop feeling and stay consistent, knowing what to expect without any bad surprises

 

[dingyibvs]

This sounds like a kinda W968 like feel? A bit more muted and springier compared to normal Viscaria?

It's kinda like inbetween a W968 and regular Vis.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

how many years between the videos ?

 

[God-scrubplayer]

This sounds like a kinda W968 like feel? A bit more muted and springier compared to normal Viscaria?

actually yes, even tho vis and w968 have are very different blade. They do both have similar feel of "dong" follow with a "kak" when you hit hard.

 

[God-scrubplayer]

What hardness H3 are you using? How do you find D09C on your BH? Is it physically demanding?
@scrubplayer

FH: 40 degree 2.1mm blue sponge national (overboosted it unnecessarily, the rubber i used in the tournament is already dead, but it was enough for me to reach 2200 because of my serve and attack. but even a dead rubber overboosted rubber is better than unboost h3 i used on my first vid)

BH: d09c 1.9mm (no boost, do not do it. it will ruin it, tried it, wasted my $$$)

 

[greenbeanmachine]

Do you think that playing with unboosted Hurricane 3 was useful at lower levels? Or would you recommend that lower level players start boosting their rubbers? I'm not at 2000 yet but every now and then I can take a game off of the 2000-level players.

I tried boosting a few times but I have found that I prefer unboosted -- it feels more controlled to me and I feel like I am strong enough to hit hard enough to get good speed, even with unboosted H3. Why did you play unboosted and what made you switch to boosted?

Also, you said you tried H3 backhand but eventually decided D09c is much better. What if you're a backhand-dominant player? Would you still recommend Dignics instead of H3?

 

[disaster3]

FH: 40 degree 2.1mm blue sponge national (overboosted it unnecessarily, the rubber i used in the tournament is already dead, but it was enough for me to reach 2200 because of my serve and attack. but even a dead rubber overboosted rubber is better than unboost h3 i used on my first vid)

BH: d09c 1.9mm (no boost, do not do it. it will ruin it, tried it, wasted my $$$)

Similar eq which plays my TT partner, except blade (he uses LGY personal blade).
He is young, with a lot of power and was learning chinese style looping, etc. He has a wide knowledge about it and some connection in Chinese TT club. from which he gets rubbers, blades, etc.... He also went down with D09C on BH from 2.1 to 1.9 to decrease the weight and found out he hasn't lost anything in performance.

boosted 40 deg 2.1mm is also my go-to rubber on FH, I haven't got an idea how it may differ to 2.15mm one in terms of everything.

 

[Arch]

FH: 40 degree 2.1mm blue sponge national (overboosted it unnecessarily, the rubber i used in the tournament is already dead, but it was enough for me to reach 2200 because of my serve and attack. but even a dead rubber overboosted rubber is better than unboost h3 i used on my first vid)

BH: d09c 1.9mm (no boost, do not do it. it will ruin it, tried it, wasted my $$$)

I've not yet dried D09C. My BH is not my strong side and I'm not at 2k rating equivalent in my region
. I'm not sure if I can handle the hardness. It should be about 6 degrees over d05 if what I've googled is correct.

 

[Dominikk85]

Yes but the biggest factor is equipment. Using junk really hinder my progress for years

All the kids that blitz to 2200 stick with bty and do what their coach recommends and focus on training.

I respect your level as a player, you are certainly very good but there are plenty of world class players who play with "ESN junk".

Or do you think that darko jorgic or quadri Aruna where held back by ESN and would have beaten FZD or ML with better equipment?

 

[K.K]

for me it's really not looking like it has anything to do with equipment. based on the video you are way less rushed, you prepare your serves and your way of receive serves better. you have a better strategy, placement and the right footwork for the next shot combined. this made you a better player. i think you could beat your old 2000 rated self with some random bat with random grippy rubbers now. a coach of mine beat some good players with an iphone. that was quite fun to watch

but i agree with @Tony's Table Tennis that staying with equipment you feel comfortable with and just concentrate on training is something that lead you to be a consistent player, too.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

At the end of the day the biggest take away here is equipment, it directly affect skills. I tried the whole suit of EJ like xiom rubbers h3 backhand etc... it just doesn't work. If you know how to boost then play h3 on forehand, if not then 09c. For BH just stick with BTY 09c or D05. Don't try those ESN trash. It hinders my level for years.

Just to illustrate a point, i EJ a lot and i swap paddle and try out with fellow club mates. Most club player's paddles are unplayable, they glue it bad, terrible rubber combination, bad weight distribution etc... HOWEVER, none of my coaches (most over 2400, had over 20+ coaches in a span of 7 years) paddle is unplayable. Almost all of their paddle i can use it anytime and play close to my level.

As of now i'm using vis gold, h3 FH, 09c bh.

Timo: I disagree with you. I ❤️ my Tenergies!

I'm WR #3 and ain't need no tacky rubbah! I've got my Xiom with me all the way, bruh!

@scrubplayer , jokes aside bro, I really like it that you reinforce the low centre of gravity stance. This is also my weakness and my club-mate says I stand too upright. I unconsciously stand upright coz that is the normal daily thing one do. During game play with so many things to focus on, this low stance thing tends to be forgotten easily. Sigh!

 

[God-scrubplayer]

I respect your level as a player, you are certainly very good but there are plenty of world class players who play with "ESN junk".

Or do you think that darko jorgic or quadri Aruna where held back by ESN and would have beaten FZD or ML with better equipment?

The pro's equipment is different than what you can buy for those esn junk. BTY actually sells exactly what the pros uses (at least for the rubbers)

 

[kindof99]

I think that $1000s spent on coaching that not mentioned much was at least as important as the golden Vis. A suitable paddle is important, but not hugely important for most U2000 (or even U2200) players from the point of an EJ. All $100+ blades work fine for most levels, maybe rubbers are more important, but any D or T rubbers work great for most players too.

 

[kindof99]

For most amateurs, I think 2300 2400 is probably the limit. It does not matter what you use, you just can't beat a professional without systematic training.