San Francisco looking for training partner.

[Leno]

You do realize that nobody tells their rating because they don't want to change this thread into a competition ending up in a flame war, so this just gets closed, right?

On another note, we need @Zwill in here to tell us if the air boosting works on H3, so we can all be happy of not removing our H3.

 

[lodro]

they aren't h3 users and none of the higher rated players disagreed with me yet. Only lower rated EJ (i was one) disagree and spread misinformation.

talking about ratings , there are indeed 2 american players in the ITTF ranking amongst the top 100. They are on places 63 and 69.
Maybe it is time to put things in perspective and stop talking about usa ratings or low rated EJ ratings or any ratings for that matter.

 

[Tyce]

talking about ratings , there are indeed 2 american players in the ITTF ranking amongst the top 100. They are on places 63 and 69.
Maybe it is time to put things in perspective and stop talking about usa ratings or low rated EJ ratings or any ratings for that matter.

Nooooo! I finally receive a rating again after 14 years and now we have to stop talking about it??

 

[Amayzde]

For people who wanna know why?
1. If you take rubber off, the rubber shrinks and make it impossible to align it perfectly like you once did.
2. Shrinking rubber != rubber become harder, so reboosting it will simply soften the rubber and make it even more dead
3. Your paddle have a life span too, the more you put waterbase glue on your paddle the softer it becomes. So to preserve the lifespan of your racket, glue rubber on it as little times as possible.

I dont really like where this thread is going.

Im going to respond to these 3 points, because thats where this thread is about, right?

1. Isn't the point of reboosting? To expand the sponge again and get the wanted tension in the topsheet? Although I dont have any experience with reboosting yet. Many people that responded to my thread about aligning the rubber after reboosting, mentioned that the rubber gets even bigger then when boosted for the 1st time. So this point seems invalid to me.
2. Boosting expands the sponge, which tensions the top sheet, right? A rubber that has tension in the topsheet it not dead? Unless you can't properly take care of tacky rubbers and all the tackyness is gone.
3. So when my rubbers booster effect runs out, I should throw it in the thrashcan and put a newely boosted rubber on? I dont see the difference here? I either glue the re-boosted rubber back on, or I glue a new rubber on. I don't see any difference in the ammount of times I glue a rubber onto my blade.

And these are genuine arguments/questions. I would appreciate it if you responded with geniune arguments as well. So "bollocks", or "no higher level player/coach advises to re-boost their H3", or "I am 2200 god and you are probably 1500 at best" are no genuine arguments...

 

[vossi39]

But expanding a rubber is a phyical process. So once it is expanded (due to booster) and is mounted to the blade, this phyisical effect of stretching is made permanent until either the rubber is bubbeling (so it is losing its contact to the blade) or you pull it of the blade.
And I think this is the point of the OT.

But I assume that there is more than the physical effect, which is associated with boosting, which is not lasting and therefore people want to reboost after some time.

So the one question remains to be answered. Can a rubber (specifically H3NEO) be reboosted.

OT says no and the argument is, that if properly boosted (which is a term to be defined again) it already reached its maximum physical stretching and it won't be able to gain its original performance, so a new sheet is needed.

Others say, that it is possible, because after detaching the rubber from the blade, the rubber first shrinks a bit and with additional booster it again expands and the additional effect of boosting is added again, which makes the rubber similar to the first boosting. This process can not be done more than 2-3 times (based on experience) because at some point in time, the rubber is reaching its limit for physical stretching.

I'm personally still im my early month of playing with boosted rubbers, but I do not really notice a significant difference between a 2 weeks old boosted rubber and one that was boosted a month ago. So I'm kind of undecided which theory I believe. Tendency is towards the second, as I believe there is more than the physical attribute of stretching changed while boosting.

 

[lodro]

Nooooo! I finally receive a rating again after 14 years and now we have to stop talking about it??

As long as you keep it real, so we have :
passifid, his ranking is : "small casserole"
lodro, his ranking is : " hotdog"
Tyce, his ranking is : .............................

 

[Tyce]

As long as you keep it real, so we have :
passifid, his ranking is : "small casserole"
lodro, his ranking is : " hotdog"
Tyce, his ranking is : .............................

I'm currently between a party sausage and a bierwurst... Hope to get up to proper bratwurst by the end of the season

 

[SlowPower]

I am totally happy with not talking about ratings 😅
We got our a** kicked last friday by two 11 year old in the double and I had a hard fight not to lose in the single as well 🤣

 

[SleepyMaster]

For people who said you don't have to be a certain skill level to give advice. Let me introduce you to RAY GUN

She a professor in break dancing but ain't a break dancer.



My advice is coherent to people above me as well. No one i mean NO ONE at a higher level will suggest you reboost your rubber after months or do stupid crap like sealing blades.

She is phd in dancing not “break dancing” but her level is about the same as the forum guys that can’t lift underpin with d09c that is two weeks old - but they are still giving advices on the every thing including technique👌🏻.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

But expanding a rubber is a phyical process. So once it is expanded (due to booster) and is mounted to the blade, this phyisical effect of stretching is made permanent until either the rubber is bubbeling (so it is losing its contact to the blade) or you pull it of the blade.
And I think this is the point of the OT.

But I assume that there is more than the physical effect, which is associated with boosting, which is not lasting and therefore people want to reboost after some time.

So the one question remains to be answered. Can a rubber (specifically H3NEO) be reboosted.

OT says no and the argument is, that if properly boosted (which is a term to be defined again) it already reached its maximum physical stretching and it won't be able to gain its original performance, so a new sheet is needed.

even boosters tell you how to reboost.
No one tells you to use H3 that was boosted a year ago, for a whole year.
booster even tell you for how long the booster feeling will be around for.
the boosters are not wrong.

Others say, that it is possible, because after detaching the rubber from the blade, the rubber first shrinks a bit and with additional booster it again expands and the additional effect of boosting is added again, which makes the rubber similar to the first boosting. This process can not be done more than 2-3 times (based on experience) because at some point in time, the rubber is reaching its limit for physical stretching.

I'm personally still im my early month of playing with boosted rubbers, but I do not really notice a significant difference between a 2 weeks old boosted rubber and one that was boosted a month ago. So I'm kind of undecided which theory I believe. Tendency is towards the second, as I believe there is more than the physical attribute of stretching changed while boosting.

Some people can feel a difference of 1.9 to 2.1mm sponge
some can feel a difference of 1 layer to 3 layer of glue
some people can feel a difference of fresh glue vs 1 month old
some people can feel if the booster has reached it life

 

[SleepyMaster]

I am totally happy with not talking about ratings 😅
We got our a** kicked last friday by two 11 year old in the double and I had a hard fight not to lose in the single as well 🤣

I have met 10 years old boy that is already national champ under 13 and got contract with Joola with current rating of 2300+ so 😏
Before that I have only heard of that players never met them.

Btw my coach was playing against him and had won 3:1 but after the game he was telling me that it is probably last time that he can get an win over this talented kid

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I appreciate your concern, but the whole reason I am now trying out H3 is because I liked Hybrid K3, but I want something that lasts longer.

So I don’t know yet how long the boosting effect lasts for me. Im assuming it will be somewhere between 6-8 weeks. If I where to throw the rubber away after this time period, I might as well play with K3 and not go through the hustle of boosting.

H3 and K3 is so different
H3 pros, can use it for 1 to 2 weeks
K3 is 1 to 2 days

K3, after an hour of use, you can see the stains and color change on the topsheet.
Price wise, they are about the same.

I'm not sure how long you use your K3 for, but booster + H3, 6 to 8 weeks is a bit of a stretch. Maybe 4 to 6 is a bit more possible.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I have met 10 years old boy that is already national champ under 13 and got contract with Joola with current rating of 2300+ so 😏
Before that I have only heard of that players never met them.

Btw my coach was playing against him and had won 3:1 but after the game he was telling me that it is probably last time that he can get an win over this talented kid

I don't spend too much time remembering U11~U13, because they could be 2300 and 12 or 13 years old, they could be easy to beat by the time they turn 15.

Taiwan has its national team for all age groups on its website - listed per year.
it is so easy to just go through it and see how many U12 or U13 fail to remain top in their age groups when older

and then, I got a player to the Austrian 1st division, he didn't achieve any national colors until U19
he is 2600+ easily
a week before traveling to Europe, he beat 2 senior team members in the national championships, finishing 5th place.

Here is one of his points against a 34 year old former French no 2 and 2 time junior French champion during his league debut.

my speed is now about half of his,
since my rating has halved on halved due to my weight gain

 

[SleepyMaster]

I don't spend too much time remembering U11~U13, because they could be 2300 and 12 or 13 years old, they could be easy to beat by the time they turn 15.

Taiwan has its national team for all age groups on its website - listed per year.
it is so easy to just go through it and see how many U12 or U13 fail to remain top in their age groups when older

and then, I got a player to the Austrian 1st division, he didn't achieve any national colors until U19
he is 2600+ easily
a week before traveling to Europe, he beat 2 senior team members in the national championships, finishing 5th place.

Here is one of this points against a 34 year old former French no 2 and 2 time junior French champion

my speed is now about half of his,
since my rating has halved on halved due to my weight gain

Yeah it’s true - some kids at such age can show very high results but sometimes ending up not as high as their coaches and sponsors are expecting.

One guy that I familiar with was national level under 13 participated in Europe championship etc.. winning over Gauzy at that age but he ended up in 4th German league at his peak.

Another example is the son of my coach, was obsessed with table tennis when he was a kid - beating everyone at his age group, got to the national team but when he turned 18-20 he lost his mojo to the sport and it became a work for him - of course results are starting to decreased as well. I saw Gerasimenko interview once, when he was asked who was the hardest player he faced during the time he played in our super league - he was telling Pavel Kim (son of my coach) He ended up his career and became a full time coach at Al Nasr Emirates.

In any sport some people are quick starters if can be said so, other one need more time and don’t look so promising from the start but consistently working they way to the top divisions. Anyway this just unusual to me seeing a kid so good at any sport at age of 9-10.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Yeah it’s true - some kids at such age can show very high results but sometimes ending up not as high as their coaches and sponsors are expecting.

One guy that I familiar with was national level under 13 participated in Europe championship etc.. winning over Gauzy at that age but he ended up in 4th German league at his peak.

Another example is the son of my coach, was obsessed with table tennis when he was a kid - beating everyone at his age group, got to the national team but when he turned 18-20 he lost his mojo to the sport and it became a work for him - of course results are starting to decreased as well. I saw Gerasimenko interview once, when he was asked who was the hardest player he faced during the time he played in our super league - he was telling Pavel Kim (son of my coach) He ended up his career and became a full time coach at Al Nasr Emirates.

In any sport some people are quick starters if can be said so, other one need more time and don’t look so promising from the start but consistently working they way to the top divisions. Anyway this just unusual to me seeing a kid so good at any sport at age of 9-10.

yep

but what nice about kids at 2200~2300, is they won't tell you in your face that you don't know anything about equipment
okay, i've done teasing this hobby player, getting boring now

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I think what matters even more is dedicated training time.

Of course. It's just that OP seems to be implying that, even though he has put in a good amount of dedicated training time over the past 6 years, he was being significantly held back by his choice of equipment. This is possible and does happen to people but is not the case for him given that he has posted the exact same opinions about ESN being trash since at least 2020 (Exhibit 1 ... Exhibit 2 .... Exhibit 3).

In fact, very few professionals think about the rubbers or blades all that much. They focus on different things

This is simply false. Just because professionals focus primarily on their training doesn't mean they don't also think a lot about their equipment and make changes and tweaks based on what they feel and how their results are. Many of them do.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

If you would have gone the whole 10 miles and not just the 9 you might have learned to not talk a load of bollocks 🤣🤣🤣

It is 100% true that waterbased glue softens the blade, @scrubplayer is right here. For this reason, a lot of good players will switch their blade after some period of time because of the softening, though some also don't mind that and continue to use the blade for eternity.

It is also true that sealing changes the feeling significantly. I think most everyone knows this. If it didn't, most of the pros who don't switch blades often would seal their blades but they don't.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

i demand a double blind study: sealed vs not sealed blade, h3 boosted 1 month old vs reboosted. 2200 god should predict the racket with p<.05 otherwise, he pays everyone $500 on this thread.

Jokes aside, I am pretty sure most 2200+ players who are familiar with a certain blade unsealed, could tell if they were playing with a sealed version of that same blade.

 

[SlowPower]

I don't spend too much time remembering U11~U13, because they could be 2300 and 12 or 13 years old, they could be easy to beat by the time they turn 15.

Taiwan has its national team for all age groups on its website - listed per year.
it is so easy to just go through it and see how many U12 or U13 fail to remain top in their age groups when older

and then, I got a player to the Austrian 1st division, he didn't achieve any national colors until U19
he is 2600+ easily
a week before traveling to Europe, he beat 2 senior team members in the national championships, finishing 5th place.

Here is one of his points against a 34 year old former French no 2 and 2 time junior French champion during his league debut.

my speed is now about half of his,
since my rating has halved on halved due to my weight gain

Great point!

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I have heard lots of 2500+ players and coaches who are of the same opinion as OP. I also do the same myself (don't reboost, just keep it on then replace). It is certainly a valid opinion, so this thread has probably swung too far in the opposite direction, but not the only opinion. There are obviously also lots of 2500+ players and coaches who do reboost or would encourage others to.

What probably happened here is OP heard this opinion from a few people he respects and now thinks it must be a universal truth that he must bless the forum with. And this is coming from someone who actually does and prefers the same way of not re-boosting, and is a higher level player than the just-turned-2200-god himself.