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[disaster3]

What are the weights of your ZLF? I’ve been looking for a heavier one but the heaviest I’ve seen is around 85g

it's difficult to find current model which is >85grams. My new (current) version is 85g but my older model (this which I'm currently playing with is 88g )

 

[SDC]

Can any of the Vis golden owners measure the frequency? It would be nice to have several samples.

 

[disaster3]

I had it on my list to do but when I finally received it, I was so excited, that forgot to do it and glued the rubbers. When I will change something, I will try to do such test.

 

[Wrighty67]

Can any of the Vis golden owners measure the frequency? It would be nice to have several samples.

Mine is 91.6g and 1488hz which is fairly similar to my three other Viscaria's although it feels much more flexible / softer than that when playing than any of them.

 

[disaster3]

currently having a practice session with both regular and golden viscaria and switching back and forth. This is probably as scientific assessment as possible. Brand new D09c on both sides. 95g weight both blades. 195g both setup. The golden is completely different. The amount of control you get is about 25-50% better in the short game and the shots are higher quality when playing away from the table. For the regular viscaria, it feels more crisp and I can tell the carbon is being activated with a lot less force. The shots end up being more direct, faster with low effort, but with way less spin. The margin of error is just so much less compared to golden viscaria. For the golden, I have just a few more milliseconds of dwell that allow me to put the shots where I want them to go.

I'm after my 1st session of Golden Vis with T19/T05. I can only agree with above.
Playing with this setup I already had an idea built by testing different equipment. OuterCarbon blades play like this, InnerCarbon blades play like this, non-carbon blades play like this, heavier blades play like this, lighter blades play like this, Chinese rubber plays like this, ESN/Tensor rubber plays like this, etc. This is a general idea, of course there are differences within each category resulting from what suits us better and what doesn't, or the topsheet is thinner and this one has a thicker one and behaves like this, etc. Golden Viscaria + 2 Tenergies has nothing to do with all the OuterCarbon setups I've played with so far. The control is so great that with each receive I couldn't believe how it's possible, I froze for a sec asking myself: "F*ck how?"
After all, it's outerCarbon + reactive rubbers for spin, it should fly into space af, and the ball fell right behind the opponent's net: wtf??????
I am really shocked, because it turned upside down everything I have gathered so far, in terms of knowledge and testing different setups. I hope that this was not "that" day and everything went well for me, but if I have to play like this or better, I take it blindly.
My friend told me that it may play like old black tag Viscaria's which has nothing to do with the current version. I don't know as I haven't had a chance to play old Viscaria, but there are a lot of stories how good old Viscaria was, with great control and wasn't so fast. Maybe it's true and their legend was built on this and that's why through all those years was the most chosen/sold blade worldwide and became a role model of creation similar blades which based on the structure of Viscaria.
I'm really happy that I owned one a do not regret that I spent so much money. One can think, he bought it, what he should say now? Ok, that's true, but I bought also 2x Q968 Nat&Prov, expensive, too, but I'm not afraid to say that I regret this purchase, as it was not what I expected, and probably will sell everything I don't need or not meet my expectation and If I succeed with the sell, I will buy 2nd Golden Vis with these money to have a backup.
This is a plan.

 

[Wrighty67]

I'm after my 1st session of Golden Vis with T19/T05. I can only agree with above.
Playing with this setup I already had an idea built by testing different equipment. OuterCarbon blades play like this, InnerCarbon blades play like this, non-carbon blades play like this, heavier blades play like this, lighter blades play like this, Chinese rubber plays like this, ESN/Tensor rubber plays like this, etc. This is a general idea, of course there are differences within each category resulting from what suits us better and what doesn't, or the topsheet is thinner and this one has a thicker one and behaves like this, etc. Golden Viscaria + 2 Tenergies has nothing to do with all the OuterCarbon setups I've played with so far. The control is so great that with each receive I couldn't believe how it's possible, I froze for a sec asking myself: "F*ck how?"
After all, it's outerCarbon + reactive rubbers for spin, it should fly into space af, and the ball fell right behind the opponent's net: wtf??????
I am really shocked, because it turned upside down everything I have gathered so far, in terms of knowledge and testing different setups. I hope that this was not "that" day and everything went well for me, but if I have to play like this or better, I take it blindly.
My friend told me that it may play like old black tag Viscaria's which has nothing to do with the current version. I don't know as I haven't had a chance to play old Viscaria, but there are a lot of stories how good old Viscaria was, with great control and wasn't so fast. Maybe it's true and their legend was built on this and that's why through all those years was the most chosen/sold blade worldwide and became a role model of creation similar blades which based on the structure of Viscaria.
I'm really happy that I owned one a do not regret that I spent so much money. One can think, he bought it, what he should say now? Ok, that's true, but I bought also 2x Q968 Nat&Prov, expensive, too, but I'm not afraid to say that I regret this purchase, as it was not what I expected, and probably will sell everything I don't need or not meet my expectation and If I succeed with the sell, I will buy 2nd Golden Vis with these money to have a backup.
This is a plan.

Good to hear - I am pleased. Maybe dont be too quick to sell that Q968 though as I am back to using mine as my main blade. Regardless how good the golden vis is, I still find that the 968 is more controlled and easier to play with.

 

[disaster3]

I'm probably I will keep one of Q968 even for collection purpose or to give a try playing with tensor not H3 but I'm thinking which one to keep. Reasonable to keep National as it is consider as the better one, but my Prov version came top notch and playing better but again rubbers were different than on my Nat version, so these are my concerns
@Wrighty67

 

[Doralikesmath]

9 hours with the golden vis and I still like my KLC Pro better. May be I will give the golden vis another 10-20 more hours before deciding if I want to keep it or not. Guess I'm on inner carbon camp now.

 

[Lazer]

9 hours with the golden vis and I still like my KLC Pro better. May be I will give the golden vis another 10-20 more hours before deciding if I want to keep it or not. Guess I'm on inner carbon camp now.

No God material You are heretic....

Cheers
L-zr

 

[edcognito]

I'm probably I will keep one of Q968 even for collection purpose or to give a try playing with tensor not H3 but I'm thinking which one to keep. Reasonable to keep National as it is consider as the better one, but my Prov version came top notch and playing better but again rubbers were different than on my Nat version, so these are my concerns
@Wrighty67

Well it's also not surprising since half of the "national" stuff on prott is fake.

 

[Conehead]

Well it's also not surprising since half of the "national" stuff on prott is fake.

If I may ask: Are you on a mission?
In about half of your entire posts you keep stating that prott is selling fakes. I think in the meantime we all understood your message.

 

[edcognito]

If I may ask: Are you on a mission?
In about half of your entire posts you keep stating that prott is selling fakes. I think in the meantime we all understood your message.

Yes I am on a mission. I'm a serious collector that has also fell for prott from the positive feedback on this forum. I want to make sure people don't make the same mistake, and to clear up some of the misinformation that blindly spreads here.

 

[Wrighty67]

Well it's also not surprising since half of the "national" stuff on prott is fake.

I think this is one person's view - making large scale statements like this without proof (which I certainly haven't seen) is not helpful in my opinion.

 

[SDC]

This blade intrigues me. Several reports indicate that it feels more flexible/softer, but the frequency it's still pretty high. I don't think that the weight in the handle is just for balance reasons, I believe that it interferes in the feeling somehow, but without seeing it up close there's no way of knowing, and I also don't think it's the only reason. This is not the same as a black tag Vis, those blades feel the way they do because they have aged (apart from any differences in the building process that might have happened over the years), but it's not exclusive to Vis. We have Maze, Moonbeam, Innerforce, and several other models that feels softer and more forgiving. Wood oxidizes, glue degrades, the bond between the composite and wood also degrades, the continuous impact from the ball over the years also causes some physical differences. This is somewhat possible to recreate on a new blade, I have no problems making a softer Vis, but just like the Black tags they are usually in the 1380Hz range. I'm playing with one myself, for me it's more in the Off- area, and while it still has the top end power, I don't feel it's faster than a current commercial Vis. This golden Vis retains a high frequency while being softer, that's not easy to accomplish, which lends me to believe they are doing something else with the composition. I have a few theories, but without trying one, it's hard to know exactly what to look for.

 

[Wrighty67]

This blade intrigues me. Several reports indicate that it feels more flexible/softer, but the frequency it's still pretty high. I don't think that the weight in the handle is just for balance reasons, I believe that it interferes in the feeling somehow, but without seeing it up close there's no way of knowing, and I also don't think it's the only reason. This is not the same as a black tag Vis, those blades feel the way they do because they have aged (apart from any differences in the building process that might have happened over the years), but it's not exclusive to Vis. We have Maze, Moonbeam, Innerforce, and several other models that feels softer and more forgiving. Wood oxidizes, glue degrades, the bond between the composite and wood also degrades, the continuous impact from the ball over the years also causes some physical differences. This is somewhat possible to recreate on a new blade, I have no problems making a softer Vis, but just like the Black tags they are usually in the 1380Hz range. I'm playing with one myself, for me it's more in the Off- area, and while it still has the top end power, I don't feel it's faster than a current commercial Vis. This golden Vis retains a high frequency while being softer, that's not easy to accomplish, which lends me to believe they are doing something else with the composition. I have a few theories, but without trying one, it's hard to know exactly what to look for.

I agree - I am also intrigued. I have 4 Viscarias

1. 2011 - aged - 92g - 1441hz
2. 2019 - 92g - 1476hz
3.2022 CNT national Visa (Infinity handle) - 92g - 1453hz
4. 2023 Golden Vis - 92g - 1488hz

All very similar in weight and pretty close in frequency - the two std Vis feel very similar to play apart from the older one having a different handle profile and slightly slower/softer feel due to it's age and use. The CNT blade feels quite different due to the Infinity handle in the main but also feels somewhere between the std and the golden in terms of being a little softer. The golden is by far the softest feeling despite having the highest frequency and like you I am sure it is not just down to the handle as the blade surface feels more absorbent - if I didn't know better I would say it was a Limba outer version!

 

[Federal_Agent]

Esta lâmina me intriga. Vários relatórios indicam que ela parece mais flexível/macia, mas a frequência ainda é bem alta. Não acho que o peso no cabo seja apenas por questões de equilíbrio, acredito que interfere na sensação de alguma forma, mas sem ver de perto não há como saber, e também não acho que seja a única razão. Não é o mesmo que uma Vis de tag preta, essas lâminas parecem assim porque envelheceram (além de quaisquer diferenças no processo de construção que possam ter acontecido ao longo dos anos), mas não é exclusivo da Vis. Temos Maze, Moonbeam, Innerforce e vários outros modelos que parecem mais macios e mais tolerantes. A madeira oxida, a cola se degrada, a ligação entre o composto e a madeira também se degrada, o impacto contínuo da bola ao longo dos anos também causa algumas diferenças físicas. Isso é possível de recriar em uma lâmina nova, não tenho problemas em fazer uma Vis mais macia, mas assim como as Black tags, elas geralmente estão na faixa de 1380 Hz. Estou tocando com um eu mesmo, para mim é mais na área Off-, e embora ainda tenha a potência máxima, não sinto que seja mais rápido do que um Vis comercial atual. Este Vis dourado retém uma frequência alta enquanto é mais suave, o que não é fácil de conseguir, o que me leva a acreditar que eles estão fazendo outra coisa com a composição. Tenho algumas teorias, mas sem tentar uma, é difícil saber exatamente o que procurar.

Olá,
Gostaria de saber se você consegue construir uma lâmina tipo viscaria com essa característica tão mencionada de ser mais controlada, suave e cheia de engrenagens. Poderia ser com as características da versão antiga, com a etiqueta preta [1380Hz]. Tenho interesse em comprar algo assim! Agradeço a atenção!

 

[SDC]

Olá,
Gostaria de saber se você consegue construir uma lâmina tipo viscaria com essa característica tão mencionada de ser mais controlada, suave e cheia de engrenagens. Poderia ser com as características da versão antiga, com a etiqueta preta [1380Hz]. Tenho interesse em comprar algo assim! Agradeço a atenção!

Yes, it's possible. Please reach out to me in my email.

 

[SDC]

I agree - I am also intrigued. I have 4 Viscarias

1. 2011 - aged - 92g - 1441hz
2. 2019 - 92g - 1476hz
3.2022 CNT national Visa (Infinity handle) - 92g - 1453hz
4. 2023 Golden Vis - 92g - 1488hz

All very similar in weight and pretty close in frequency - the two std Vis feel very similar to play apart from the older one having a different handle profile and slightly slower/softer feel due to it's age and use. The CNT blade feels quite different due to the Infinity handle in the main but also feels somewhere between the std and the golden in terms of being a little softer. The golden is by far the softest feeling despite having the highest frequency and like you I am sure it is not just down to the handle as the blade surface feels more absorbent - if I didn't know better I would say it was a Limba outer version!

My interpretation is that stiffness is more or less the same (or even more), but counter balanced by the extra softness. When I first heard of the golden Vis I immediately thought - salc. But no, it's still ALC, which makes it more interesting. Is thickness still the same? Are you able to post a side by side with one of the regular Vis so that I can compare the layers?

 

[Wrighty67]

My interpretation is that stiffness is more or less the same (or even more), but counter balanced by the extra softness. When I first heard of the golden Vis I immediately thought - salc. But no, it's still ALC, which makes it more interesting. Is thickness still the same? Are you able to post a side by side with one of the regular Vis so that I can compare the layers?

Ok - here's the measurments

Golden 5.73mm
CNT 5.78mm
2011 5.8mm
2019 5.83

Two pics
Top one is GV on top and CNT blade underneath
Below is 2019 on top and GV underneath

Hope these are ok.

 

[riemsesy]

I notice that the core is reasonably rough compared with the pre 1996 edition
It also looks like the core on the older one shrank a bit, which I also noticed on other very old Viscarias

(pic of Vis I had..)