San Francisco looking for training partner.

[lodro]

I am following this thread. I think it is all a matter of preferences. I don't take either side on this.

CHICKEN !!! 😂 C'mon, grow a pair, it's just a bit of fun
😂😂

 

[omelet]

i demand a double blind study: sealed vs not sealed blade, h3 boosted 1 month old vs reboosted. 2200 god should predict the racket with p<.05 otherwise, he pays everyone $500 on this thread.

 

[JJ Ng]

I know people who change K3 on a daily basis, some 3 to 7 day basis.
I wonder how we going to classify their level based on their rubber changing preferences.

I know K3 does not last that long. But ouch! changing it daily?? I think they are definitely 2400+....

 

[JJ Ng]

CHICKEN !!! 😂 C'mon, grow a pair, it's just a bit of fun
😂😂

Lol, I am the United Nations. I do nothing and I refuse to take a position

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I know K3 does not last that long. But ouch! changing it daily?? I think they are definitely 2400+....

so what can you do to push them to 2700+

 

[God-scrubplayer]

i demand a double blind study: sealed vs not sealed blade, h3 boosted 1 month old vs reboosted. 2200 god should predict the racket with p<.05 otherwise, he pays everyone $500 on this thread.

the seal blade doesn't glue as good and the chance of rubber come off is signfantly higher. I have a sealer and done that crap before. I still use sealer if i chip my blade, i'll fix it with wood filler and seal that particular part let it dry for a day and sand it down.

 

[God-scrubplayer]

Haha
I know so many 2500+ that you have labeled 1800

How do you label those that use H3 for a year+
What level is that?

2500+ chinese coaches reboosting their h3 after months of play instead of changing it while they were a player trying to improve? I call bullshit.

 

[Aizen]

Well, ideally after the initial boost and we should play a couple weeks then switch to new sheet of rubber, if we look for professional perspective.

But personally, I reboost once 2-3-4 months, depending on trainings and feeling.

Usually, when I take out rubber, it measures 30 hardness (closer to unboosted 31-32), then boost until 27 then stick again. (Which equivalent to initial boosting)
Of course, it’s not a same as initial boosting but better for my liking.

maybe your coaches are hindering their level by not using new boosted sheets every month? Maybe they would be 2600+?

Thanks for your insight anyway.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

This thread is an interesting way to announce breaking 2200 without announcing breaking 2200. At least Scrubplayer won't go around saying he is really 2400 because he is underrated and plays in LA since he came to the East Coast and didn't see the miraculous jump in rating he expected. Much better than his historical douchiness.

Congrats on breaking 2200, scrubplayer, and best wishes with your long term TT.

anyway its inspiring to see his progress.

despite my age, i'm not giving up !

 

[PickleRick]

But the single biggest contributor to my level is equipment. Going on an EJ journey has hinder my ability to break 2200 for years. If i just play h3 FH, T05/D05/D09c bh and don't go those stupid EJ crap with xiom, weird custom blades etc.... i would hit 2200 much much much earlier.

Congrats. EJ’ing is never good for improvement. I’m pretty sure you would have reached 2200 too by using ESN stuff consistently though.

In the area I play I know quite some (semi) professional players who buy the same ESN rubbers as all of us, don’t boost and who can generate more spin and speed in their shots than any of us can handle. Some of them even use rubbers that most of the people on this forum would describe as rubbers suited for lower level intermediate players.

I had the opposite experience than you. I was stuck at a rating of around 2000-2100 and was EJ’ing alot. I settled on easy to use ESN-rubbers and stayed away from Dignics, tenergy and boosted Chinese stuff and my consistency and playing level finally started improving again.

 

[latej]

Sigh.... that's cuz you didn't boost it properly. So here's the thing, if you boost your rubber properly and you start hitting with it. If you take your rubber off, even without reboosting, the rubber will "enlarge" because you "打开" that h3, if you glue it back you can cut off part of the rubber etc.... By taking the rubber off you released all the tension and allow the rubber to expand which is NOT what you want.

Therefore, if you boost and glue the h3 rubber. The tension will ALWAYS be there until it bubbles. so if you boosted and glued your h3 properly the rubber STAYS there.....

NOPE, it won't. If I remove it after 4-6 weeks the rubber is curled inwards... It may have been forced to be on the blade, but that doesn't guarantee the right tension in the top-sheet. The tension decreases with time, just like everything else.

Failure to acknowledge it is just as harming as not acknowledging there are mental issues ;-) To add some fuel to fire ;-)

I just simplify for everyone in my post but i've EJ'd alot. I know what i'm talking about. Sealing blades, boosting with different crap etc...

Finally another boosting thread with parameters ;-) like 2200 top-spin... NPI... Cheers and thanks @scrubplayer

 

[Tinykin]

Timo has publicly say he gets the same rubber or commericial packaging rubber from Butterfly
many other players I know get non commericial packaging.

I have few friends that have tried Timo's bat before and the quality if way better than their own "Butterfly sponsored rubbers".
So, I stand by "maybe"
so the god of equipment in this thread has said pros use the same as us layman or something like that.

We'll never know for sure.
However, packaging of any product can be a significant cost. So Bty sending rubbers in plain packaging can be a cost saving measure. Especially as some players get hand picked version for weight, hardness etc.
Plus, many players, maybe even most, are not particularly good at gluing their bats. My experience of trying out the bats from other players demonstrates this. They all feel different in bounce etc with the bats from certain players having that 'je ne sais quoi'.
One of these guys glued my Darker Speed 90 and today 4 years later it's still my goto match winner bat. However, I do clean and oil it regularly and store it in a special sealed case, Peli 1075.

 

[God-scrubplayer]

NOPE, it won't. If I remove it after 4-6 weeks the rubber is curled inwards... It may have been forced to be on the blade, but that doesn't guarantee the right tension in the top-sheet. The tension decreases with time, just like everything else.

Failure to acknowledge it is just as harming as not acknowledging there are mental issues ;-) To add some fuel to fire ;-)



Finally another boosting thread with parameters ;-) like 2200 top-spin... NPI... Cheers and thanks @scrubplayer

yes it will. If you boost it PROPERLY if you stick i on your paddle and play for a session, then if you peel it off it WILL enlarge.

 

[lodro]

the seal blade doesn't glue as good and the chance of rubber come off is signfantly higher.

The sealed blade will glue perfectly strong and safe if you would do exactly the same as you do after you do a chip-repair ====lightly sand down any gloss. All us top-class players here in this post will always lightly sand after sealing ,before we glue on the rubbers and go and kick some arse 😂

 

[lodro]

i demand a double blind study: sealed vs not sealed blade

this study has been done long ago and the difference is not really in the sealing or not sealing but a light sand to break the gloss off the sealer will make everything square again.

The other matter, the claim that sealing a blade is altering its playing characteristic can probably never been proven until we find a way of measuring feelings 😁

 

[latej]

yes it will. If you boost it PROPERLY if you stick i on your paddle and play for a session, then if you peel it off it WILL enlarge.

Of course, but I don't peel off after 1 session, I peel it off after 4-6 weeks ;-)

I'm gonna peel it off every day now, I need to get to you guys noooow.

 

[SlowPower]

I think 1800 will be your ceiling. You gotta change to black ASAP, without any delay.

I have black shoes (with white stripes if that matters) but didnt have yellow ones before. Now I am totaly confused 😬

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

We'll never know for sure.
However, packaging of any product can be a significant cost. So Bty sending rubbers in plain packaging can be a cost saving measure. Especially as some players get hand picked version for weight, hardness etc.
Plus, many players, maybe even most, are not particularly good at gluing their bats. My experience of trying out the bats from other players demonstrates this. They all feel different in bounce etc with the bats from certain players having that 'je ne sais quoi'.
One of these guys glued my Darker Speed 90 and today 4 years later it's still my goto match winner bat. However, I do clean and oil it regularly and store it in a special sealed case, Peli 1075.

In fact, different types or rubber packaging is more costly. If Timo is right, then all rubbers can just be retail and all players pull from it. Butterfly isn’t poor when comes to sponsorships, so it won’t be a matter of costs of packaging.
I mean, they send 50 blades per time for you to choose and you can keep 10. You dont like any, they send another 50 until you get your 10. On LYJ's first batch of 50 for his new blade, he only kept 2.

I think who ever is sponsored by Butterfly would know how to glue. I have yet to meet any that cant.
I mean, you change Tenergy rubbers around 2 to 3 weeks, and you would normally glue up 3 bats min. so that is 6 rubbers say every 3 weeks, or 100+ rubbers per year.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

2500+ chinese coaches reboosting their h3 after months of play instead of changing it while they were a player trying to improve? I call bullshit.

you the one saying a chinese coach uses it for a year (leaving it on for a year lol)... are you changing your quote now to bs?

and who say who is trying to improve? are you quoting me trying to improve? I gave up probably 10+ years ago.
or you quoting your chinese coach who doesn't train but still trying to improve and happy to use them for 1 year without removing it?

Look, I'm not trying to be mean, I've probably used up way more H3 rubbers than you and all your EJ rubbers, maybe even x 2 or x 3.

leaving H3 on for a year, unless your coach is an amateur, any one who understands the feeling of glue drying out would atleast remove it and reglue it
maybe you just don't know and assuming no one on planet earth does it.

you need to know, not everyone has 10~20 H3 rubbers to use a year like I used to and after a week, I don't like it, I remove it and chuck it away. because the quality or inconsistency was bad back then.
reboost is okay, you are 2200 level... it is just random middle school girls team or slightly better boys elementary school level in Taiwan. For any one that is serious and high level, ie 2600+, they won't use H3 for more than 2 weeks. So, inside the pro circle you won't hear of reboost.
I never used to reboost, but now I don't play, and would reboost to just keep the feel.
If you call my experience bull shit, then believe what you want to believe.

even if you don't reboost or keep ESN or BTY rubber on, it needs reglue. Some times the glue feeling is just wrong and players change the glue after 1 session.

I think since your level is not high, your coach can use a dead unfeelable H3 and still block your balls with ease.
But would your coach use that 1 year old H3 in anything serious? I doubt, unless he/she doesn't want to buy new rubbers and need to reuse it until it "bubbles".

 

[Wrighty67]

In fact, different types or rubber packaging is more costly. If Timo is right, then all rubbers can just be retail and all players pull from it. Butterfly isn’t poor when comes to sponsorships, so it won’t be a matter of costs.
I mean, they send 50 blades per time for you to choose and you can keep 10. You dont like any, they send another 50 until you get your 10.

I think who ever is sponsored by Butterfly would know how to glue. I have yet to meet any that cant.

One data point only, and obviously subjective - having been a long term T05 user i ventured to buy a Japanese team T05 from Pro TT a few months back. To me it was a different level rubber and felt generally better than my other sheets. Difficuit to quantify but maybe slightly harder and tackier? (Came In white packaging but no other discerning marks I could see)