San Francisco looking for training partner.

[Antonlan]

The Swedish system:

National leagues:
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Pingisligan
Superettan
Division 1 (4 "leagues" based on geography)
Division 2 (8 "leagues")
Division 3 (16 "leagues")

Rational leagues:
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Division 4-7 (some regions only have up to div 4)

The two best teams either get promoted or get to play play offs to get promoted. The same applies to the bottom two (or one in the highest leagues).

All games in leagues as well as tournaments will give you ranking points. This also applies to veteran, youth and womens leagues and tournaments.

Fun fact: TTD Tom plays for a team in division 1 "east". His win/loss ratio is 21-13 making him the 9th best player in the league. In this league you'll also find the 13 year old wiz kid David Björkryd (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INizzPn51tI) who has got a ratio of 13-7.

Edit: Most clubs will have a lot of teams in different divisions. "My" club has got teams in 1,2,3,4,6 (2 teams) and 7 (2 teams). You can move players up and down but you usually have to skip one round to go down one division.

To this can be added local series trough "Korpen" (a Swedish association for less serious form of practicing/competing in sports). In Stockholm that adds 11 divisions for teams of two and 2 divisions for teams of three.

 

[Der_Echte]

I have tried long ago to see what it was all about... and I found out that it is mostly too much a hassle, even if you only have to boost twice during life of rubber.

I think a tuning oil would be great if you have a rubber you like a lot of the topsheet and overall, but the sponge is a little too hard for you... tuner would be a good friend there - one and done.

I think a lot of the modern dynamic rubbers work just fine without extra tuning. At least I seem to adjust my strokes for that.

We can make an argument that certain top end rubbers, like say MX-P, can play even more consistent (and thus overall better) when factory tuner wears out after a few weeks.

Scoobie-Doo Serge Tsos seams to heavily agree on that point and plays his 2100s level with sometimes 5 yr old sheets of MX-P I gave him from my older test blades I carried around with my in the trunk.

One day, that dude is finally gunna have enough of being a lurker nodding his head at some posts and LOL at others and finally register and comment one day... at least I hope he will.

 

[JustANoob]

...review....

What blade did you use for testing/ or in general do you play with ?

What is the usual rubber setup you prefer ?

 

[God-scrubplayer]

What blade did you use for testing/ or in general do you play with ?

What is the usual rubber setup you prefer ?

I used a viscaria sepcial version. I used t05FH 05fxBH. h3 FH 05BH before for over 6 + months.

 

[Konrad Bak]

Viscaria special version you mean gold one?
Dignics 05 is more suited for Zlc. This is how I feel.
The throw of zlc is higher and land faster, alc is longer and throw is more forward, with boosted T05 alc setup, is very fast,because the sponge has trampoline effect but im not an expert.
So ALC IS More suited to T05.
Butterfly knows that so they raised their price of ZLC blade.
Sometimes
I think the different surface hardness affects to durability of equipment . There is different material submission so rubber has different tension.. More tension less durability.
This is the biggest reason why players change T 05 very often.
This is why D05 has perfect durability but players need more tension so they change to harder Wood or More stiffer Wood.
I know that D05 is with autotension sponge Technology, so players put 3-4 layers just to add more bounce effect

 

[Konrad Bak]

And you dont like it play short with d05 because propably sponge dense? ( sponge density i dont know how to call)
and booster give you too much kick effect..
So we back to Harder blade because
Harder blade + More sponge density= less bounce effect but still more rubber spin.

 

[SkySowers]

Skysowers, what the highest level playing field have you been in those playing years in philippines？

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My highest playing field would be the Nationals that I attended a couple of times. I could've went for 2-3 more but due to lack of money, they cancelled some of them. But the most exciting part was the Regionals. Our province was undefeated for years, and we would always be the overall champions (going against 6 other provinces). It was awesome for me since our sport was a team competition. Nobody gets left behind.

Aside from that, I played the National Open during my 1st year in high school and won 1st runner up. I also participated in the NCAA during college.

 

[Ghostzen]

SkySowers with playing nationally at a pretty high level your rating must be pretty high in the US. Where abouts are you training and how does the level compare?. Hopefully you manage to train and keep a good level. Cheers

 

[Mytoman]

Norwegian system:

The league is more or less similar to the swedish system, but not quite at the same level.
Stigaligaen
1.div
2.div x 2
3.div x 7
4.div (regional) x 10
5.div (regional) x ?? depending on teams
There is a system of relegation/going up.

We also have tournaments divided in age groups and/or level.
Normally you can play at your level or better, but not go downwards in level.

You gain/lose points in the online ranking in all matches, league and tournaments. If you get an "expected" result (the highest ranked player wins), you win/lose few points. If the lowest ranked player wins, you win/lose lots of points. In some tournaments you win/lose 1,5 or 2x the points of a normal tournament. The system and the ranking is the same if you are 9 or 90 years old, boy or girl, elite or beginner.

The points/ranking are to some extent used to put you in the right position in the team in the league.

For the most part it is used for seeding in tournaments. Most tournaments are open for all. A few tournaments (national championship) are closed/invitational only for the best ranked players.

 

[shami]

Table tennis, also known as ping-pong and whiff-whaff, is a sport in which two or four players ... In 1933, the United States Table Tennis Association, now called USA Table Tennis, was formed. ... (A common but non-sanctioned method is for the players to play the ball back and forth three times and then play out the point.

 

[wappak]

My highest playing field would be the Nationals that I attended a couple of times. I could've went for 2-3 more but due to lack of money, they cancelled some of them. But the most exciting part was the Regionals. Our province was undefeated for years, and we would always be the overall champions (going against 6 other provinces). It was awesome for me since our sport was a team competition. Nobody gets left behind.

Aside from that, I played the National Open during my 1st year in high school and won 1st runner up. I also participated in the NCAA during college.

Skysowers, you have.been many.battles back in.phils. tibay mo brad hehe, im also from phils right now, so how did.you fair playing there in US? my only achivement was i won the singles in college department meet but with no varsity player played, i went back to playing basketball since that, after almosr.20 years last year march went back playing tt again just to teach my 10 year old in coming grade 6 daughter preparing.her for their school elimination and hopefully she can join the area meet, but because of this covid it might be cancelled all sporting events.now this year good thing we have table at home still practicing at quarantine here

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[Der_Echte]

My highest playing field would be the Nationals that I attended a couple of times. I could've went for 2-3 more but due to lack of money, they cancelled some of them. But the most exciting part was the Regionals. Our province was undefeated for years, and we would always be the overall champions (going against 6 other provinces). It was awesome for me since our sport was a team competition. Nobody gets left behind.

Aside from that, I played the National Open during my 1st year in high school and won 1st runner up. I also participated in the NCAA during college.

You could move to Bay Area, California, take some online courses at Ohlone College, and instantly be on their team to compete in the college regionals.

 

[God-scrubplayer]

And you dont like it play short with d05 because propably sponge dense? ( sponge density i dont know how to call)
and booster give you too much kick effect..
So we back to Harder blade because
Harder blade + More sponge density= less bounce effect but still more rubber spin.

I tried D05 without boost, 1/2/3/4 layer over a period of time. Even without boost d05 short and smash is horrid. If opponent push short, just forget about giving short back, you push long/flick take a step back and rally.

My viscaria is not the gold version; it's the version cnt uses. I have a normal viscaria and it plays nothing likes it. The special version is just more bouncy and heavier. It takes significantly less effort from me to generate a quality shot from the special version compare to the normal version. I've tried many commercial versions they all play roughly the same. The special version just plays differently.

 

[Ghostzen]

I've always been curious about a selected blade or the special production blade. Like being heavier or even with a different construction.

At the league level you play at does it actually make much difference without the skill of the player (CNT member or serious paid team player) that they are intended for or do you think it's more of a confidence and head thing knowing you have been sold a more costly and higher quality selected blade.

 

[God-scrubplayer]

I've always been curious about a selected blade or the special production blade. Like being heavier or even with a different construction.

At the league level you play at does it actually make much difference without the skill of the player (CNT member or serious paid team player) that they are intended for or do you think it's more of a confidence and head thing knowing you have been sold a more costly and higher quality selected blade.

There's a very big difference. That said I am 2139usatt and improving. This goes with the rubber as well. I have a blue sponge provincial h3 i bought from tt11. When compare to my friend's h3 blue sponge national he got from fang bo, it's night and day.

The biggest difference between the pro and commercial equipment is the ability to play far away from the table without effort. The short game and close ~ mid/close distant are almost identity, but the moment it went to >= mid distant the professional equipment will make huge difference.

When I take a closer look at my two viscaria, it doesn't seem the commercial one is built differently. Their plys thickness and composition looks the same from naked eye. So my guess is the pro equipment are just heavier.

 

[Ghostzen]

Cheers for the thoughts on the blades and rubbers. Always find it interesting on playing level and equipment.

 

[slevin]

without boost d05 doesn't play good away from teh table.

Just asked a 2600 friend / coach who has been using D05 on BH. He started laughing and said that is pure BS for anyone from around 1850 to 2600 (below 1850, he does not recommend D05). No boosting required till you are 2600+ / playing in a pro-league in Europe / China. His students (one is in the US cadet team) do boost their H3 (if they are H3 users), though.

Not my opinion - I’m not highly rated and nor am I a coach...

 

[God-scrubplayer]

Just asked a 2600 friend / coach who has been using D05 on BH. He started laughing and said that is pure BS for anyone from around 1850 to 2600 (below 1850, he does not recommend D05). No boosting required till you are 2600+ / playing in a pro-league in Europe / China. His students (one is in the US cadet team) do boost their H3 (if they are H3 users), though.

Not my opinion - I’m not highly rated and nor am I a coach...

That's not the right way to see it. Here's the thing, I"ll obliterate anyone below 2100usatt regardless i use a boost d05 or not. However, if I am playing someone at my level, that boost rubber will give me a small advantage.

E.G there's 2x 2200 player about same level. They are training partners(so they are used to each other style) and their win rate against each other is roughly 50/50. If in tournament, one of the 2200 player decides to boost their rubber before the tourny, that 2200 player will have an advantage over his training partner in that match. Get it?

Everyone have a different boosting formula so find the formula the suits you. In my experience boosting your rubber will give you roughtly 20~30usatt level boost. It's small difference and one could say you could just get better to gain 20~30usatt points; but boosting the rubber to gain 20~30usatt points is effortless work.

 

[slevin]

That's not the right way to see it. Here's the thing, I"ll obliterate anyone below 2100usatt regardless i use a boost d05 or not. However, if I am playing someone at my level, that boost rubber will give me a small advantage.

E.G there's 2x 2200 player about same level. They are training partners(so they are used to each other style) and their win rate against each other is roughly 50/50. If in tournament, one of the 2200 player boost their rubber, that 2200 player will have an advantage over his training partner in that match. Get it?

All that is obvious. The coach factors that in. All of his students (a few are around 2300-2400. Two are in the US team and have to play really competitive in the team trials / etc to try get into the team each year) play high-stakes game against players of similar level. The coach tells them NOT to boost dignics. They, obviously, boost their H3. He has played high level in China (CNT) and in Europe (top level leagues).

 

[God-scrubplayer]

All that is obvious. The coach factors that in. All of his students (a few are around 2300-2400. Two are in the US team and have to play really competitive in the team trials / etc to try get into the team each year) play high-stakes game against players of similar level. The coach tells them NOT to boost dignics. They, obviously, boost their H3. He has played high level in China (CNT) and in Europe (top level leagues).

There's a big difference between boosting a FH rubber vs a BH rubber. If let's say someone were to restrict me in a way that I can only boost 1 rubber either FH/BH. I would've choose FH; That is because rarely I have to play away from the table with my BH so D05 on BH without boosting could still be okay. However, it's very likely my FH will go to mid/far distant in a match.

The point of the post is this.

D05
0 layer: default
1 layer: almost no difference
2 layer: small difference compare to default, a little faster a little more dwell
3 layer: significant difference compare to default, it's def faster and dwell more, the arc is also more apparent
4 layer: noticeable difference compare to 3 layer, it's slower but the dwell time is more. The arc is also more apparent compare to 3 layer.

The graph is like a bell curve. and 3 layers seems to be the peak.

If the preference is default the one can play default. But from my experiment 3 layers achieve maximum speed and spin.