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[lodro]

Oh dear...We've become so preoccupied with proving each other wrong, we're neglecting what people are saying.

Professor "Once you add a third boosting layer (i.e., re-boost), the H3 becomes very noticeably softer. If you like your H3 to be firm, then it difficult to play with."

How does that misalign with me saying I struggle with keeping the hardness after the 3rd boost?

If you like your rubbers hard why boost at all ?????
I also like my H3 hard and I give 1 layer of Seamoon basically to transform the original "hard leather-like sponge" into a real sponge.
All I need.

 

[Serg]

Me at 2000

Me at 2200

Differences

Equipment: When i was 2000 i'm a stupid EJ. Playing with unboosted h3 where people get to block and counter my shot so much easier. At 2200 even tho i'm still an EJ, i've grown a lot better at boosting and gluing rubber. My shots are no longer easy to block/counter. I'm also richer compare to myself 6 years gold and afford myself a gold vis. Gold vs > normal vis by a mile. When you hit hard gold vis will sound like a stiga blade with "dong" while normal vis will sound like "pia" and goes down to the net.

Speed: In terms of absolute speed and physicality, I was faster and injury free 6 years ago. However, i am faster now in pong speed, after i serve i'll have these couple of mini steps while the me 6 years ago don't.

Serves: my serve was always good even at 2000 but at 2200 i make it even more dangerous.

Lower center of gravity: this is one of the most important aspect that upgrade my game (i haven't reach my peak rating yet, my rating went up 3 times in a row the past 3 tournaments). I don't standup straight like i use to. When I stand lower, the ball speed is also slower. The reason for that is when you stand up straight and look at the ball, the speed of the ball is how your eye observe it. When standing up straight you are observing the ball almost like perpendicularly. When you stand lower the ball is coming towards you at a lower speed thus easier for you to react. <-- i don't know if i explain this properly but whoever understand this point do help elaborate.


At the end of the day the biggest take away here is equipment, it directly affect skills. I tried the whole suit of EJ like xiom rubbers h3 backhand etc... it just doesn't work. If you know how to boost then play h3 on forehand, if not then 09c. For BH just stick with BTY 09c or D05. Don't try those ESN trash. It hinders my level for years.

Just to illustrate a point, i EJ a lot and i swap paddle and try out with fellow club mates. Most club player's paddles are unplayable, they glue it bad, terrible rubber combination, bad weight distribution etc... HOWEVER, none of my coaches (most over 2400, had over 20+ coaches in a span of 7 years) paddle is unplayable. Almost all of their paddle i can use it anytime and play close to my level.

As of now i'm using vis gold, h3 FH, 09c bh.

Why using Dignics 09c 1.9 instead of 2.1 though???

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

So?
Sure you have the proper rights to give advice, but you are missing 2 things here.
1 .You didn't disagree with me on reboosting h3
2. you are not a h3 user.

Therefore my statement still holds true. No player that actually know how to play and have the proper credentials will advise h3 user to reboost their rubber after weeks/months of play. That's shitty advice. It ruins rubber, blade, waste glue, time and money.

And you know how to play and have credentials? 😂

 

[latej]

So?
Sure you have the proper rights to give advice, but you are missing 2 things here.
1 .You didn't disagree with me on reboosting h3
2. you are not a h3 user.

Therefore my statement still holds true. No player that actually know how to play and have the proper credentials will advise h3 user to reboost their rubber after weeks/months of play. That's shitty advice. It ruins rubber, blade, waste glue, time and money.

Sims gave you a chance and you wasted it But don't worry, soon someone else will give you another chance... And so on, until you get it ;-)

EDIT: Btw., I just checked the percentile transformation in the other thread (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/us-ratings-to-uk.35097/post-478495) and according that, I should be around your "2200 god" level ;-)

 

[Der_Echte]

There is a huge absence of consulting Sergey Scoobie Doo, who is secretly USA's foremost expert on all matters of H3 boosting and usage.

 

[mcfly]

wow you guys still enjoy roasting the 2200 god? i thought this topic is done already

 

[Gekko]

If you like your rubbers hard why boost at all ?????
I also like my H3 hard and I give 1 layer of Seamoon basically to transform the original "hard leather-like sponge" into a real sponge.
All I need.

Nah, boosting is more than just softening the sponge. It's like the rubber comes alive when it's stretched out.
It gives the best of both worlds...Super stable short game and blocking (hardness) and a good grabbing feeling (high tension) when loop driving

 

[latej]

wow you guys still enjoy roasting the 2200 god? i thought this topic is done already

You're right... I gave this a pause... But just returned from the training, enjoying beer... But anyway, giving it another pause... ;-) Cheers.

 

[Tomboov247]

Sigh.... that's cuz you didn't boost it properly. So here's the thing, if you boost your rubber properly and you start hitting with it. If you take your rubber off, even without reboosting, the rubber will "enlarge" because you "打开" that h3, if you glue it back you can cut off part of the rubber etc.... By taking the rubber off you released all the tension and allow the rubber to expand which is NOT what you want.

Therefore, if you boost and glue the h3 rubber. The tension will ALWAYS be there until it bubbles. so if you boosted and glued your h3 properly the rubber STAYS there.....


I just simplify for everyone in my post but i've EJ'd alot. I know what i'm talking about. Sealing blades, boosting with different crap etc...

Nicely explained, totally agree with you. I tried reboosting once and threw the rubber away after one session, horrible.


On another note, h3 national blue sponge 39 degrees - one or two layers of falco long?

I don't like soft rubbers, but I need them dynamic. I don't need catapult, but I want them reactive to my wrist movement

 

[SlowPower]

Sims gave you a chance and you wasted it But don't worry, soon someone else will give you another chance... And so on, until you get it ;-)

EDIT: Btw., I just checked the percentile transformation in the other thread (https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/us-ratings-to-uk.35097/post-478495) and according that, I should be around your "2200 god" level ;-)

So we have more gods than we had imagined ^^

 

[Sims]

So?
Sure you have the proper rights to give advice, but you are missing 2 things here.
1 .You didn't disagree with me on reboosting h3
2. you are not a h3 user.

Therefore my statement still holds true. No player that actually know how to play and have the proper credentials will advise h3 user to reboost their rubber after weeks/months of play. That's shitty advice. It ruins rubber, blade, waste glue, time and money.

If I'm only missing two things then you are missing much more 😉
But for the record
1. I do disagree with you on reboost of H3, many have done it and like the results and,
2. While I don't use it now I have used it in the past before setting on euro Tensors, so long ago now that I can't even compare it in my head to my Rakza Z but I'm considering to try it again soon.

Anyway kid, I think you assume too much and seem to like the agro, argument etc so,just as you paid little attention to the point of my initial post, I'm sure most have stopped listening to you also 🤷
Best 👍

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Therefore my statement still holds true. No player that actually know how to play and have the proper credentials will advise h3 user to reboost their rubber after weeks/months of play. That's shitty advice. It ruins rubber, blade, waste glue, time and money.

Once again you are incorrect on this. There are plenty of high level Chinese players who reboost, you just haven't spoken to them. All you are really proving is that you don't get to speak to many of the actual 2600+ gods or else you would know that they fall into both camps on the reboosting topic. And also probably because the 2600+ actual gods quickly turn away from smartass know-it-all 2200 poser gods except for the few who you probably paid some money and impressed this opinion onto you.

I mean, here is Gan reboosting a used rubber in his boosting tutorial video and even providing specific instructions on what to do when re-boosting (9:30) instead of boosting an unused rubber.

 

[Sims]

I don't like that the equipment is considered as magical and make people improve just by their presence. It's playing the game of the big brands marketing and illegitimate prices. Most part of improvement comes from training, I'm amazed that some people pretend otherwise.

I think you have a good point about 'EJ'ing and about the price of some things but it's also worth mentioning that it is possible to play with a poor setup, before finding something that works much better for your game and also that there are some real bargains available in equipment also, both blades and rubbers. So in that regard/context I believe the equipment is vital.
There's 3 guys at my club who have spent €300 on their butterfly setups and I can still beat them every time, although I must admit they can sometimes hit shots with these rackets that I just cannot return, which didn't used to be the case.
However on the whole I think it's gonna hold them back and if they pooled their €900 purely for coaching they'd be twice the players by Christmas!🎄
One of their crew asked me for advice (actually he asked someone else who directed him to me😂) and I recommend Rakza 7 or Xsoft and a medium fast all wood blade. I'm certain he's gonna pass them out by the end of next season.
Anyway, my points is that while coaching Is surely key, the right equipment is important and also as you said, money can easily be wasted on exotic stuff thats more than you can handle.
I guess this is just my long-winded way of agreeing with you 😂
Sorry, I'm just trying to wind down after training tonight and felt the need to write something!

 

[ThePongCommenter]

This you?

This guy was claiming ten years ago he would destroy any non-import USA players including two different national champions, who were both probably around 2600 at the time. LMAO.

To go from "easily destroying 2600s" to barely cracking 2200 in 10 years....sure wouldn't want to take equipment advice from this guy!

 

[God-scrubplayer]

Once again you are incorrect on this. There are plenty of high level Chinese players who reboost, you just haven't spoken to them. All you are really proving is that you don't get to speak to many of the actual 2600+ gods or else you would know that they fall into both camps on the reboosting topic. And also probably because the 2600+ actual gods quickly turn away from smartass know-it-all 2200 poser gods except for the few who you probably paid some money and impressed this opinion onto you.

I mean, here is Gan reboosting a used rubber in his boosting tutorial video and even providing specific instructions on what to do when re-boosting (9:30) instead of boosting an unused rubber.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Gan isn't 'even reboosting an h3, he's using some weird off brand rubbers which can have different properties. When Gan is training seriously he won't be reboosting his h3 after weeks/months of play.

 

[God-scrubplayer]

If I'm only missing two things then you are missing much more 😉
But for the record
1. I do disagree with you on reboost of H3, many have done it and like the results and,
2. While I don't use it now I have used it in the past before setting on euro Tensors, so long ago now that I can't even compare it in my head to my Rakza Z but I'm considering to try it again soon.

Anyway kid, I think you assume too much and seem to like the agro, argument etc so,just as you paid little attention to the point of my initial post, I'm sure most have stopped listening to you also 🤷
Best 👍

1. I do disagree with you on reboost of H3, many have done it and like the results and, <-- but you yourself did not disagree. You simply can't because you aren't an h3 user
as for your point 2. If you are consider h3 again, then heed my advice it will save you time, money, rubbers, and blades.

You are welcome

 

[ThePongCommenter]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Gan isn't 'even reboosting an h3, he's using some weird off brand rubbers which can have different properties. When Gan is training seriously he won't be reboosting his h3 after weeks/months of play.

I 3-0 2200 "gods" and use Hurricane. I talk to way more 2600s that are H3 users than you do. You have no idea what you are talking about, you just got a few opinions on something and think it's a universal truth. And again that's coming from someone who personally doesn't reboost.

You have no clue what Gan would or wouldn't do, but considering he's a lifelong H3 user I really doubt that he would have made a special section of his tutorial to explain how to re-boost already used rubbers, if he wouldn't advise that, don't ya think?

 

[God-scrubplayer]

Nicely explained, totally agree with you. I tried reboosting once and threw the rubber away after one session, horrible.


On another note, h3 national blue sponge 39 degrees - one or two layers of falco long?

I don't like soft rubbers, but I need them dynamic. I don't need catapult, but I want them reactive to my wrist movement

39 degree bs is almost unplayable for FH. It lacks the power even if you boost properly. Try 40 degree.
As for boosting method, don't use falco tempo long. No one uses it on h3. If you can read/understand chinese, just follow the video from my original post. That boosting method is consistent among all the pro h3 users.

 

[God-scrubplayer]

I 3-0 2200 "gods" and use Hurricane. I talk to way more 2600s that are H3 users than you do. You have no idea what you are talking about, you just got a few opinions on something and think it's a universal truth. And again that's coming from someone who personally doesn't reboost.

You have no clue what Gan would or wouldn't do, but considering he's a lifelong H3 user I really doubt that he would have made a special section of his tutorial to explain how to re-boost already used rubbers, if he wouldn't advise that, don't ya think?

2600 chinese coach reboosting their h3 after weeks/months of play? Ain't no way that's happening. if they haven't bubble it by then that means they ain't training and they won't even bother taking the rubber off and reboost. They might "reboost" it because they felt it was too hard after a session or two. That just means they didn't boost it to their liking initially, not reboosting after it was playing perfectly.


You 3-0 me? maybe true maybe not, post a vid or link of your rating before making such claim.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

They might "reboost" it because they felt it was too hard after a session or two.

Yep, so what happened to "once it comes off the racket then throw it in the trash"?