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[Tony's Table Tennis]

3. You reboost your rubber. Some thoughts to that, because i am currently doing that too, and having several issues with that.
By that you will probably give the rubber back some of that power it got from the first boost.

The issues imo: reboosting is harder to get reconstructable results. I often have different reactions on the rubber too. Some spots are more domed than others.
My last rubber had to hit the bin right after the second training session after reboosting because it was mushy on some spots i hit with it and some shots simply went overboard that should have landed. I reboosted another rubber and it went fine. So we put another variation into our equipment again by reboosting.
Another factor should definitly be that you glue more often and damage your blade. Or you have to seal it more often which is another variation to your equipment again... I hope you see the point. Variation in game is very good, in your own equipment it is NOT!

All in all i am currently considering leaving my H3 on the blade for longer and observe the change in characteristics it gets in time. If those are less or equal to having my H3 reboosted, than i might stop reboosting. Especially if those changes are so low that i can easily tweak my gameplay and work with it, becaue i know for a fact that i cant work with a shitty reboost result 😅

I always clean my rubber sponge and remove the glue.
I would add 1 very light layer on and see the effect. Some times it may be too light and don't dome.
If that is the case, I would add a second light layer on.
this could be 3 to 5 hours later - I will monitor the doming.

from here, the rubber should dome, and I will let it set fully and also check out the expansion.
normally let it set for about 2 days, before adding 3 layers of no15 before gluing on.

The fact about blade and gluing, most people glue every 2 weeks, 1 blade for 1 year, that is 26 gluing minimum.
The guys using K3, will glue 6 times a week, or 300 times a year

I find a lot of people over boost and end up with mushy, even from 1st boost.
I always tell people, you can always add a light layer on, but you can't remove a overboost layer

 

[K.K]

haha this came in today and perfectly fitting. zhang jike loop kills his students with a tiny bat. really reminds me about the story i told by my coach that won every set against us with an iphone.
people will be asking now: what cover did your coach use? can you send me link?
maybe we should find out wich tiny bat zhang jike used too

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

haha this came in today and perfectly fitting. zhang jike loop kills his students with a tiny bat. really reminds me about the story i told by my coach that won every set against us with an iphone.
people will be asking now: what cover did your coach use? can you send me link?
maybe we should find out wich tiny bat zhang jike used too

I had Shaanxi provincial team visit me in South Africa.
Had a fun evening, and got one of the Jia A players to take up a challenge.

I took an old hobby racket and drilled out the entire sweat spot (he is a Cpen SP player, and he is using a cheap hobby bat with no sweat spot area, its a hole where the ball can go through).

and had the Jia A Player play against a SA junior player on a mini table

had the junior player train a week on that mini table
the Jia A player still beat him

 

[Attitude]

I always clean my rubber sponge and remove the glue.
I would add 1 very light layer on and see the effect. Some times it may be too light and don't dome.
If that is the case, I would add a second light layer on.
this could be 3 to 5 hours later - I will monitor the doming.

from here, the rubber should dome, and I will let it set fully and also check out the expansion.
normally let it set for about 2 days, before adding 3 layers of no15 before gluing on.

The fact about blade and gluing, most people glue every 2 weeks, 1 blade for 1 year, that is 26 gluing minimum.
The guys using K3, will glue 6 times a week, or 300 times a year

I find a lot of people over boost and end up with mushy, even from 1st boost.
I always tell people, you can always add a light layer on, but you can't remove a overboost layer

Im doing it pretty much like that. Im really cautious with my reboosting because a mushy rubber is worst case. Additionally you increase the risk of bubbling by carelessly reboosting.

Still it is impossible to do it consistently the same. Something is always different, which is the mentioned added variable and therefore risk to change the playing characteristics to a point you dont want.

 

[NextLevel]

Some of them do, most of them don't. Most of them focus on complete other things. If many of them focused on equipment, we would see them trying new rubbers a lot more often but that simply doesn't happen, so it's not false.

The main difference is that if they are pros they are often given stuff to test that can take equipment largely out of the equation as they have done the tests that get them to a good place. Sponsors can send them a bunch of rubbers and a bunch of blades or they can go to a table tennis store that let's them do this. Going through EJing phase is natural when you are trying to figure out what you really like to use. And if you just copy another good player you know, that is reasonable as well.

 

[banbekas]

All this talk about rating takes me back to the good old day when I was at the height of my game, circa 2017-2018. I was good enough to be picked as one of the province's representatives to play in National Games. Back then I was using H301, Provincial H3 Orange Sponge boosted with 2 layers of FTL and G-1 on the backhand.

Today, I'm just a basement player who plays local tournaments here and there as a hobby. I don't even train anymore. I got frustrated when basement players blocks and counters my shots. By the way, basement players > hobby players.

I always clean my rubber sponge and remove the glue.
I would add 1 very light layer on and see the effect. Some times it may be too light and don't dome.
If that is the case, I would add a second light layer on.
this could be 3 to 5 hours later - I will monitor the doming.

from here, the rubber should dome, and I will let it set fully and also check out the expansion.
normally let it set for about 2 days, before adding 3 layers of no15 before gluing on.

The fact about blade and gluing, most people glue every 2 weeks, 1 blade for 1 year, that is 26 gluing minimum.
The guys using K3, will glue 6 times a week, or 300 times a year

I find a lot of people over boost and end up with mushy, even from 1st boost.
I always tell people, you can always add a light layer on, but you can't remove a overboost layer

This is also how I reboosted back then. Clean the rubber and remove the glue. Put one layer of glue on the rubber and a thin layer of booster after it dries out. Unlike you, I don't look for any doming at all, for me it's good enough as long as the rubber is flat enough. Once it is flat, I apply another glue and glue it on the blade. Result is good but the feeling is just not the same anymore for me.

 

[Grumms]

I don't like that the equipment is considered as magical and make people improve just by their presence. It's playing the game of the big brands marketing and illegitimate prices. Most part of improvement comes from training, I'm amazed that some people pretend otherwise.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

All this talk about rating takes me back to the good old day when I was at the height of my game, circa 2017-2018. I was good enough to be picked as one of the province's representatives to play in National Games. Back then I was using H301, Provincial H3 Orange Sponge boosted with 2 layers of FTL and G-1 on the backhand.

Today, I'm just a basement player who plays local tournaments here and there as a hobby. I don't even train anymore. I got frustrated when basement players blocks and counters my shots. It's fun, tho.

I'm not a basement player, as we don't play in basements
but I am near basement player level now. Really moving once to three times a month.
power of the legs are gone.

This is also how I reboosted back then. Clean the rubber and remove the glue. Put one layer of glue on the rubber and a thin layer of booster after it dries out. Unlike you, I don't look for any doming at all, for me it's good enough as long as the rubber is flat enough. Once it is flat, I apply another glue and glue it on the blade. Result is good but the feeling is just not the same anymore for me.

when feeling is gone or not the same, I throw it away.

 

[banbekas]

I'm not a basement player, as we don't play in basements
but I am near basement player level now. Really moving once to three times a month.
power of the legs are gone.

when feeling is gone or not the same, I throw it away.

Another 10kg and you'll officially become a basement player, sir.
It's no longer power from the legs but power from body fat.

 

[Grumms]

I also think 2000 USATT sounds a bit off
I mean, WTT players from USA can be 2500 upwards
2200 to 2500 isn't only 10~15% different, it is night and day.
even 2400 vs 2500, or 2500 vs 2600, the range is just so much for so little point different

so either 2500 is too low, or 2200 is too high.
I feel the gap between say 2400 and 2700 should probably be 1000 points and not just 300

Let's take chess Elo as a comparison. Difference between 2700 players and 2500 players is huge. And the 200 points difference is totally consistant with what the model wants to show as the probable result between 2 players.

A player with 200 less points has only 30% chance of winning. I think that it's not far from the likelihood of a 2500 TT player beating a 2700 player. Of course It depends on the model the federation wants to use. French system is quite close to the Elo system for example. It has a bit wider range, but the principle is the same. N°1 french woman player is 2800.

 

[NextLevel]

Let's take chess Elo as a comparison. Difference between 2700 players and 2500 players is huge. And the 200 points difference is totally consistant with what the model wants to show as the probable result between 2 players.

A player with 200 less points has only 30% chance of winning. I think that it's not far from the likelihood of a 2500 TT player beating a 2700 player. Of course It depends on the model the federation wants to use. French system is quite close to the Elo system for example. It has a bit wider range, but the principle is the same. N°1 french woman player is 2800.

I think the probability of lower rated player winning given 200 pts USATT rating difference since it is about zero at 237pts is lower than 30% in the USATT system.

 

[Grumms]

I think the probability of lower rated player winning given 200 pts USATT rating difference since it is about zero at 237pts is lower than 30% in the USATT system.

I'm afraid I did not understood what you meant. A 237 pts difference implies a 100% probability of winning for the higher ranked player ?

 

[dingyibvs]

haha this came in today and perfectly fitting. zhang jike loop kills his students with a tiny bat. really reminds me about the story i told by my coach that won every set against us with an iphone.
people will be asking now: what cover did your coach use? can you send me link?
maybe we should find out wich tiny bat zhang jike used too

I have a specially made tiny bat to practice being mindful of contact point on the bat. It's actually surprisingly easy to play with. It's really the services that are more difficult, otherwise game play wasn't that different.

 

[NextLevel]

I'm afraid I did not understood what you meant. A 237 pts difference implies a 100% probability of winning for the higher ranked player ?

I believe so. That is where the better player gets zero pts.

 

[Grumms]

I believe so. That is where the better player gets zero pts.

That does not necessary mean there 100% chance to win according to the model.

 

[mcfly]

If I can fit this on, I might be a 1 million
but I'm too fat.
Will the bath towel give me extra level boost?

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Hi Tony you’re amazingly kind and generous
please send this my way <3

Best regards,

 

[NextLevel]

That does not necessary mean there 100% chance to win according to the model.

Yes, but it doesn't imply 30% either unless I am missing something. USATT is't precisely an ELO system though it has some similar foundations.

Here is a link to the table.

https://usatt.simplycompete.com/info/ratings

 

[lodro]

I have a specially made tiny bat to practice being mindful of contact point on the bat. It's actually surprisingly easy to play with. It's really the services that are more difficult, otherwise game play wasn't that different.

things we do when we have too much spare time 😂

 

[Der_Echte]

I don't like that the equipment is considered as magical and make people improve just by their presence. It's playing the game of the big brands marketing and illegitimate prices. Most part of improvement comes from training, I'm amazed that some people pretend otherwise.

Hi @Grumms ,

I share the same general attitude about equipment magically making one's game many levels better. (meaning an equipment change by itself normally would make not so much difference in most situations)

I do believe though, that certain equipment makes it easier or more difficult to some something or several or many things...

So in that regard, equipment makes a huge difference.

One would not be an elite amateur TT player who topspins a ton using short pips out with .5mm sponge. Maybe one could learn and adapt some, but would be so hard as near impossible to put the same spin a beginning players could put with modern inverted rubbers.

That would be an example of the propound effect of equipment.

Another way to look at it is like your attitude that I share. If a player already has close to appropriate rubbers and blade, like say a BTY Korbel and T05 rubbers as an offensive topspin oriented player... such a palyer is not going to magically grow 4 levels when he changes to boosted Diginiski rubbers and a Super Viscaria blade. The difference would be there, but not as profound.

Possibly, if the modern equipment is not so suited for what a player does... for example a flexible allround offensive attacking player... this player center of mass of equipment is a moderate speed blade with modern offensive control oriented rubbers, maybe soft or medium sponge. if such a player was using super hard sponge H2 rubbers on both sides of a Timo Boll Tri-Carbon blade, then maybe such a player would perform much better using a wood OFF minus blade with softer modern control rubbers like T05FX or Aurus or something along those lines.

Switching from horribly matched equipment to well matched equipment would make a big difference.

Once equipment is sorted out, it is training development and mental performance improvement... which @NextLevel IMO correctly links both.

 

[Sims]

Everyone should know that the only rating that is of any importance is 'how hot do you look in your table tennis kit?'
I propose a scale 1 - 1,000,000 Scovills, where we assign a rating of 1,000,000 to Adrianna Diaz.
my wife says I'm a solid 650,000. The only relevant question then becomes... how do I get from 650,000 to 1,000,000 scovills? Well @Tony's Table Tennis how? how?

If the million scovilles goes to Daniely Rios then your system is perfect 😘