San Francisco looking for training partner.

[quanghuysk]

I am currently 2139usatt. That said I got it nov 2019. The me right now would've obliterate the me at that time. What rating are you at?

ok so for > 2000 usatt, you might be a pretty good player. I was just laugh a bit because you feel that rubber dead. Don't get me wrong, I didn't want any argument here. It maybe just personal taste like you like boosting and I don't.
btw, I don't have any rating. We don't have that kind here for amateur players.

 

[yoass]

Over here, when we still played TT anyway, we have:

• National levels; one top ("Eredivisie") plus three subordinate divisions:
  • Men (actually mixed; but the name stuck)
  • Women
  • Youth (mixed, no "Eredivisie")
• Regional, my region has:
  • Seniors
    • Regular (teams of 3, 10 matches): 1 "hoofdklasse", 6 subordinate leagues ("klassen")
    • Duo (teams of 2, 5 matches): 1 "hoofdklasse", 6 subordinate leagues ("klassen")
  • Youth (teams of 2 or 3), 6 leagues
  • Starters (teams of 2 or 3)

There's an adaptive ELO-like rating system. In competition and sanctioned tournaments, points are gained/lost upon wins/losses depending on the difference in rating. Points won by the one player are lost by the other, making it a zero sum system (new players excepted).

New players receive a base rating depending on the competition class they're starting in.

There are some differences between regions. Typically, a team winning the competition in Class N is promoted to Class N-1. Similarly, the last team degrades to Class N+1. Some regions have playoffs, for example between a runner up in a Class N+1 and a second-to-last finishing team in Class N. Some regions may also have playoffs between champions to determine promotion; there's some leeway there, and things can depend tightly on the "pyramid" structure of the competition.

Teams getting added or falling away leads to some ad hoc decision by competition organising committees.

 

[Ghostzen]

Used D05. Good rubber but out of the packet it's slower and more controlled than a T05 or one of the speedy ESN hard rubbers thats for sure. Touch is very good and at the table you get a good feeling of bite on the ball but agree with the away from the table throw and speed means things really have to be lifted a bit more with a strong stroke. Boosting the hell out of most rubbers can give good and bad results mind depending how you play and your level or practice and standard.

 

[KMTT]

I play in a small local UK city league. There are 4 divisions in the league comprising of about 10 teams.

Which division you play in depends on ability but also seems to depend on the club you join and how that club manages its teams. From what I've seen team captains and maybe sometimes other league players will informally assess your ability, if all is agreed you will be offered a spot in a team. If that club only has teams in division 3 and 4 then division 3 will be your best offer even if you are division 2 standard. So the size of club you join can be important. If you want to play division 1 then the choice of club becomes even more important.

A team that finishes in the top 2 places in its division gets promoted or relegated if in the bottom 2 . Players win percentage is calculated and shown on the results website. Although again it's not a formal process I would say that in my club, which is relatively big, a player with a +80% win rate could request to play in a higher division and that probably be successful. I would imagine there's a good deal of variation on this in the UK but the above has been my experience.

 

[Brs]

So to sum up the review: buy $37 prov H3 and boost instead of $100 09c and boost. Thanks, maybe you saved people some money.

 

[Deep74]

As per Dans review of Dignics 80 is easier to generate pace with than D05. I have used D05 and T05 in past and I currently use D80 on both sides. In terms of speed it’s in between D05 and T05. D05 is probably better suited close to the table.

 

[God-scrubplayer]

Dang, other country's system seems to be more fun and more structured compare to usa.

 

[Ghostzen]

UK has a varied system for sure. Here's a basic breakdown. I'm sure I will have missed something but it's a start for you.

There's

(Small area) local leagues as explained by KMTT above pretty well. Great fun to play and good matches. Weekly matches.

(Larger area) County matches where the better players in each area will play against other areas in a almost zone I guess. Held 2-3 times a year.

National Leagues there's British League which goes from Premier, Championship, A league, B League etc. Thats a good standard normally where players tend to travel to a central venue for each division and play there matches over a weekend.

Open events and Grand Prix events which also have banded events for your level as well as under 21 and ladies events.

If you Win a Grand Prix Open you are a strong player.

There's also Junior British league events and Over 40 veterans events as well.

Fair bit to choose from.

 

[ajtatosmano2]

1.Extraleague
2.Nat 1st Div (divided to 2 region)
3.Nat 2nd Div (4 region)
4.Nat 3rd Div (8 region)
5.Country A or I.
6.Country B or II.
7.Country C
Many countries have only 1 division, a few have 2 and only the country around the capital (Budapest) have 3.
Women have separate Extraleague and National 1st Division.
Also, Budapest has it's own system:
I/A
I/B
I/C
II/A
II/B
II/C
I am not familiar with it, but I think Bp I/A has to be around Nat 3rd Division.
As far as I know there are no Local leagues.
(for adults) tournaments are rare outside Budapest and we don't have a representative rating system. Also, the regular tournaments are for mostly amateur players.
Overall, leagues are important and they last for a year. Usually the first or first two teams goes up and the last two team goes down. This might change according to the size of the divisions.

 

[God-scrubplayer]

So to sum up the review: buy $37 prov H3 and boost instead of $100 09c and boost. Thanks, maybe you saved people some money.

H3 is not cheaper than butterfly products. There's alot of different H3. H3 itself is a product line like butterfly. Dignics is just 65 dollars if you know where to buy. H3 blue sponge national is at $100 btw.

 

[God-scrubplayer]

As per Dans review of Dignics 80 is easier to generate pace with than D05. I have used D05 and T05 in past and I currently use D80 on both sides. In terms of speed it’s in between D05 and T05. D05 is probably better suited close to the table.

Never played D80, but without boost d05 doesn't play good away from teh table. That said, if you boost it, that won't be an issue.

 

[ttarc]

In US you play, you get rating you play events under a certain rating. If you are lucky and live in the bay there are some non sanction team tournaments but those are in a sub-par organized.

From what I heard korean, japan, china, europe all have these leagues and divisions. Can anyone care to explain to me how does it work in each country and how one get assigned to a division and move up/down? Is there a rating or there's ranking each division? Is there a trial to go up a division etc.. etc...?

Germany, women and men:
National level:
1. Bundesliga (national league), 2. Bundesliga, 2x 3. Bundesliga (north and south)
Below that but still on the national level:
Four regional leagues (Regionalligen, fourth division?)
Eight Oberligen (don't know how to translate that, fifth division?)

State level (although we have only 16 states we have 18 associations)
Each association has:
State/association level leagues, district/county leagues and administrative district leagues (the last two are usually divided into so called leagues and lower ranked classes)
e.g. in North Rhine-Westphalia we have at the state level:
Women: 2 NRW leagues, 4 Verbandsligen (something like association league)
Men: 3 NRW leagues, 5 Verbandsligen and 11 state leagues
Seniors women/men: NRW leagues 40+, 50+, 60+ and 70+
Cadet women/men: NRW leagues <=13, <=15 and <=18

How to move up and down: It depends... The first team of a league usually goes up and the last team goes down and depending on the league, the teams in second (and third) place play relegation matches.
New teams: You can always start in the lowest league and, of course we're in Germany, there are regulations on how and if your team can start in a higher leagues.
New players: We have something similar as the USATT ratings called TTR. Initial TTR: Depends (we have regulations...) either your club assigns you to a team and a position in that team then you will get the average TTR of all players in that league and at that position (roughly, it's a bit more complicated) or if you start at a tournament then it depends on how many matches you win (and of course which rating your opponents had and there is a lower limit depending on your age and...
We have leagues with 6 players per team, leagues with 4 players per team, some have only 3 players per team and what not...
Oh, we have some more regulations: Your position in a team depends on your TTR rating and the position in your team determines/can determine (it depends, we have some more regulations) which whom you have to play doubles in a league match...

https://nrw-tischtennis.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/WO2020-01-01.pdf (only 84 pages for NRW)
https://www.ttvb.de/wp-content/uploads/Kurzbeschreibung-TTR.pdf (short description of TTR ranking, 8 pages)

 

[God-scrubplayer]

Germany, women and men:
National level:
1. Bundesliga (national league), 2. Bundesliga, 2x 3. Bundesliga (north and south)
Below that but still on the national level:
Four regional leagues (Regionalligen, fourth division?)
Eight Oberligen (don't know how to translate that, fifth division?)

State level (although we have only 16 states we have 18 associations)
Each association has:
State/association level leagues, district/county leagues and administrative district leagues (the last two are usually divided into so called leagues and lower ranked classes)
e.g. in North Rhine-Westphalia we have at the state level:
Women: 2 NRW leagues, 4 Verbandsligen (something like association league)
Men: 3 NRW leagues, 5 Verbandsligen and 11 state leagues
Seniors women/men: NRW leagues 40+, 50+, 60+ and 70+
Cadet women/men: NRW leagues <=13, <=15 and <=18

How to move up and down: It depends... The first team of a league usually goes up and the last team goes down and depending on the league, the teams in second (and third) place play relegation matches.
New teams: You can always start in the lowest league and, of course we're in Germany, there are regulations on how and if your team can start in a higher leagues.
New players: We have something similar as the USATT ratings called TTR. Initial TTR: Depends (we have regulations...) either your club assigns you to a team and a position in that team then you will get the average TTR of all players in that league and at that position (roughly, it's a bit more complicated) or if you start at a tournament then it depends on how many matches you win (and of course which rating your opponents had and there is a lower limit depending on your age and...
We have leagues with 6 players per team, leagues with 4 players per team, some have only 3 players per team and what not...
Oh, we have some more regulations: Your position in a team depends on your TTR rating and the position in your team determines/can determine (it depends, we have some more regulations) which whom you have to play doubles in a league match...

https://nrw-tischtennis.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/WO2020-01-01.pdf (only 84 pages for NRW)
https://www.ttvb.de/wp-content/uploads/Kurzbeschreibung-TTR.pdf (short description of TTR ranking, 8 pages)

Wow... it's so much more advance and complicated compare to usa.

 

[Tinykin]

It's not complicated at all.
Basically in USA, at a guess from posters' comments, almost 100% of a player's matches are in singles tournament. While in Europe, >90% of a player's matches are in team play.
So ratings are much less important compared to their average in the particular season.

Also there tends to be a separation between cadet/Junior, seniors and veterans in both teams and singles events.

 

[mart1nandersson]

The Swedish system:

National leagues:
-------------------
Pingisligan
Superettan
Division 1 (4 "leagues" based on geography)
Division 2 (8 "leagues")
Division 3 (16 "leagues")

Rational leagues:
-------------------
Division 4-7 (some regions only have up to div 4)

The two best teams either get promoted or get to play play offs to get promoted. The same applies to the bottom two (or one in the highest leagues).

All games in leagues as well as tournaments will give you ranking points. This also applies to veteran, youth and womens leagues and tournaments.

Fun fact: TTD Tom plays for a team in division 1 "east". His win/loss ratio is 21-13 making him the 9th best player in the league. In this league you'll also find the 13 year old wiz kid David Björkryd (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INizzPn51tI) who has got a ratio of 13-7.

Edit: Most clubs will have a lot of teams in different divisions. "My" club has got teams in 1,2,3,4,6 (2 teams) and 7 (2 teams). You can move players up and down but you usually have to skip one round to go down one division.

 

[ttarc]

Wow... it's so much more advance and complicated compare to usa.

Complicated, yes, but advanced? I have to disagree

Oh, I forgot something else: Up to the state level women can play in mens teams (which is quite common in my area) but not vice versa and these mixed teams cannot play in the highest state leagues because it's verboten (no mixed teams allowed at the national level).

 

[God-scrubplayer]

Complicated, yes, but advanced? I have to disagree

Oh, I forgot something else: Up to the state level women can play in mens teams (which is quite common in my area) but not vice versa and these mixed teams cannot play in the highest state leagues because it's verboten (no mixed teams allowed at the national level).

Advance is not the correct word. I would say superior.

 

[SkySowers]

I have used both D05 and D80 and I prefer D05. Counterattacking with D05 is amazing for me. But I'm wondering if I'm the only one over here whose never tried boosting materials?

 

[SkySowers]

I grew up playing Table Tennis in the Philippines and even made money while playing it. It's a team sport over there and you represent your school. Basically, if you keep winning, you'll end up representing your region in the national tournament. That's probably about 5-6 tournaments in a year if you kept winning. And every time you win, you get money. Every win has a prize money, so are the medals you get. If you were representing a different city, the Mayor will give you money, then the Governor will do the same.

I don't know how it is over there now, but that's how I remember it. If you join a national tournament, you are separated by gender and age bracket. It was pretty fun. I kept winning, so I was always away for training camp. We train for a month or so, then we win. Then we do it again.

Completely different compared to over here in US.

 

[wappak]

I grew up playing Table Tennis in the Philippines and even made money while playing it. It's a team sport over there and you represent your school. Basically, if you keep winning, you'll end up representing your region in the national tournament. That's probably about 5-6 tournaments in a year if you kept winning. And every time you win, you get money. Every win has a prize money, so are the medals you get. If you were representing a different city, the Mayor will give you money, then the Governor will do the same.

I don't know how it is over there now, but that's how I remember it. If you join a national tournament, you are separated by gender and age bracket. It was pretty fun. I kept winning, so I was always away for training camp. We train for a month or so, then we win. Then we do it again.

Completely different compared to over here in US.

Skysowers, what the highest level playing field have you been in those playing years in philippines？

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